Saudi Teacher to be Flogged for "Saying the Jews Were Right"

Arutz 7 ^ | Nov 14, '05 | Staff

[Nachum]

Those two boys have been squabbling for almost 4,000 years, now

Squabbling? The Children of Isaac and Jacob have lived in mortal fear of their "cousins" for 4000 years and you call it "squabbling".

[rmlew]

There are religious Zionists who serve in the IDF and use both weapons and the Torah.
Are you suggesting that only the secular should serve?

[rmlew]

I seem to remember that since 621 the Ishmaelites have been trying to conquer the world.

[HKMk23]

I used the image of "boys squabbling" to highlight the small spark that started this fire. Do not miss that I call the present confilct a "feud" that will ultimately involve the whole world. I'm trying to give a sense of escalation to a conflict with almost 4,000 years of history under its belt, not diminish its importance.

Now, note also this from the scriptures: whenever Israel was motivated by fear, they buckled and were vanquisehd, but whenever Israel remembered the Covenant and called out to G_d, He answered them and they were victorious. That "The Children of Isaac and Jacob" now live in fear is "Exhibit A" in the evidence that they do not now wholly seek the face of The Most High for their strength and deliverance; that they do not walk before G_d as Abraham walked. Jacob must return to Beth-el and call to mind again his heritage and remember exactly Who it is that first called his father, Abram, out of Ur.

After all, Who gave the Promise? Who established the Covenant upon His own Most Holy Name? Has His arm been cut off? Is His strength diminished? Has He grown frail in might or in mind? Does He not now stand ready; awaiting those who come earnestly seeking Him? If all who are Israel fall on their faces and cry out to Him for deliverance, do you think that He will not answer? Will He not rise from His Throne and rend the heavens to rescue him? Has it not been foretold by His Prophets? Why, then, has He not been believed? Why do His people walk in darkness, as though their G_d is asleep or on vacation?

Purify yourself, then, and call to mind the former things; seek the ancient paths and come humbly before your G_d, that He may once again affirm His Promise and His Covenant and deliver Jacob from all of his trouble. Surely He will do it, for thus He has sworn by His own Holy Name.

You will not be alone, for I say to you, great is the company of the righteous who daily intercede before The Throne of Him that Dwells on High for those whom He has called "Chosen". A great host stand praying and watching for the deliverance of Israel.

[HKMk23]

>> I seem to remember that since 621 the Ishmaelites have been trying to conquer the world.

Yes. Take one blood feud, with one side of the family having a great faith, the other not really having any, then give the non-religious side of the family a competing, incompatible religion of their own, and you have sucessfully expanded the scope of the conflict to the deepest human level possible, and have also guaranteed that there will NEVER be a resolution to it, unless one side is completely annihilated -- to the last man.

I think everyone can see the ample evidence for which side it is that needs annihilation. HINT: it ain't Israel.

[Giant Conservative]

You guys should ditch the Suads, we have lots of oil and few Jihadists.

What province or territory of Canada is the oil concentrated in?

[Buggman]

Thanks for the link. I think I've found a new favorite blog.

[NicknamedBob]

And people here keep wondering why the "moderate" elements of Islamic society don't speak up and curtail the extremists.

[kenavi]

I'm trying to give a sense of escalation to a conflict with almost 4,000 years of history under its belt, not diminish its importance.

You are re-writing history and the Bible.

The Lord heard Hagar and promised that Ishmael would become the head of a mighty nation. "Ishmael" means that the Lord heard him.

Isaac and Ishmael buried Abraham in the cave of Machpelah, where all believe his and Sarah's remains still rest.

The Bible gives a detailed accounting of Ismael's descendance. He is not evil personified.

The period of Muslim persecution of Jews, and other non-Moslems, is less that half the 4,000 years you cite. During that period, there were even bigger enemies to the Jews and to humanity, who had nothing at all to do with Arabia.

[B-Chan]

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam." -- Condoleeza Rice

[Alexander Rubin]

Amen.

[Allan]

I think I've found a new favorite blog.

It's great isn't it. Every item that he posts is hilarious.

[American in Israel]

Interesting, according the the in depth article, he was not punished for anything but being a moderate muslim.

[HKMk23]

You are re-writing history and the Bible.
The period of Muslim persecution of Jews, and other non-Moslems, is less that half the 4,000 years you cite.

Where did I say that the conflict had been Muslim v. Jew for the whole 4,000 years?? I did not state that the conflict had involved Muslims for that whole period. But the Bible celarly states in Genesis 21:8, that the conflict began on the day Isaac was weaned. Abraham held a banquet for the occasion and, at the banquet, Isaac's mother, Sarah, saw Ishmael mocking him. So, it began, in accordance with the words G_d Himself spoke regarding him and his descendants:

And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
-- Genesis 16:12 KJV

That was about 4,000 years ago and, today, it is Islam that names Abraham as it's Patriarch and claims the heritage of Ishmael, ans we see that, on the world stage that the mocking of Ishmael has grown to blood conflict and is not abated for the passing of these thousands of years.

I rewrite nothing. I change nothing. The Children of Ishmael have written in blood, and I lift not a finger to revise so much as a single letter. Ishmael's condemnation comes by his own hand.

[kenavi]

And Simeon and Levi are cursed for their anger, Dan is a viper by the path, Joseph is a wild ass, and Benjamin is a ravenous wolf, and that's their father talking!

Jeremiah was descended from a people whom the Israelites were supposed to destroy, Ruth's lineage came from brazen paternal incest,and for that matter, we're all descendants of Cain.

I for one won't presume to write off entire peoples created in the Lord's image.

[HKMk23]

We're all descendants of Cain? That isn't true. Adam had other sons and daughters after Abel was slain, and this is Adam's descendancy from Genesis 5:

Adam begat Seth,
Seth begat Enosh,
Enosh begat Kenan,
Kenan begat Mahalalel,
Mahalalel begat Jared,
Jared begat Enoch,
Enoch begat Methuselah,
Methuselah begat Lamech,
and Lamech begat Noah.

Noah begat Shem, Ham and Japheth, and they along with their wives were all whom G_d saved out of the Great Flood. Indeed, the lineage of Cain is entirely swept away unless Noah's wife, or one of his son's wives came from Cain's line. Lineage is not reckoned through the mother, but through the father, so there is no longer anyone who could trace their lineage to Cain, even if genealogical records had been preserved; his name has been entirely cut off.

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All of that aside, however, do not assume that I condemn all of Ishmael's house and line, for out of it have come many -- and many more are coming -- who have heard the voice of G_d and joined themselves in faith with Israel. For, what does the apostle mean when he says in Romans 9, "They are not all of Israel who are descended from Israel, nor are they all children [of Abraham] because they descend from Abraham?" He explains, "It is not the children of the flesh who are children of G_d, but children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

The house of Israel, then, is not reckoned by human lineage but by righteousness that is by faith, and all who enter by faith are of the true house and line of Abraham; whether they trace their human heritage from Isaac, Ishmael or neither. For it was not through the Law of Moses that Abraham received the promise that he and his offspring would become heirs of the world, it was through the righteousness that comes only by faith in G_d. As it is written, "Abraham believed G_d and He credited it to him as righteousness." So, also, through the righteousness that comes by faith, all by the grace of G_d may likewise become heirs of the promise; not only those who are of Abraham's human lineage, but all who are of the faith of Abraham. For the scripture does not say "it was credited to him as righteousness" only as an historical record, but for our benefit also, in that G_d will also credit righteousness to all who believe in Him who raised Jesus from the dead. As Hosea has written, "I will call those who were not my people, 'my people,' and her who was not beloved 'beloved.'" And again, "In the place where it was said to them 'You are not my people,' there they shall be called sons of the living G_d." Abraham is, thus, become the father of all who believe, even as it is written "I have made you a Father of MANY nations". And we also have this testimony of the Christ from the Revelation given to John:

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation."
-- Revelation 5:9

So, out of every people will come true children of Abraham, heirs of the promise given to him. None are cut off from it save those who do not believe, and they are cut off by their own decision.

[kenavi]

We're all descendants of Cain? That isn't true. Adam had other sons and daughters after Abel was slain..

I was speaking of methaphorical lineage. As you point out in the rest of your eloquent post, it is our personal engagement with God that counts, not our bloodline:

"In those days they shall say no more:

'The fathers have eateen sour grapes,
And the children's teeth are set on edge.'

But every one shall die for his own iniquity..."

[agrace]

GREAT link, thanks for posting.

[tillacum]

NO, NO, NO cleel, SAUDIS are not our friends. THEIR OIL IS

[bk1000]

Islam deserves to be mocked. I burst my pimples at Islam.