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To: Ezekiel2517
Virtually no crimes before Cermak took over Knin, eh?

39 of the 97 victims listed on the Schedule to Gotovina's indictment were murdered between the 4th and 6th of August. While this may not constitute evidence in your world, your world, much like that of your Serbian apologist cousins, is becoming both clearer to me and less relevant with each successive of your posts.

Further, if it was Gotovina's troops who were perpetrating the crimes as part of a conspiracy to rid the Krajina of it's Serb inhabitants, as is alleged in the indictment, then the responsibility is his. Converseley, if he wasn't part of that alleged conspiracy, he's still responsible under command responsibility for failing to reign in his troops after being informed of the crimes they were perpetrating - and both the crimes and the fact that Gotovina was notified of his troop's crimes by members of the UN are not in question.

That is the position of the US Government, the EU, and the ICTY. If it's not yours, well, too frickin' bad - last time I checked it wasn't NATO or the EU looking to join Croatia.

Gotovina's on the run for a good reason - either through commission or omission, he's guilty, and no amount of massaging the facts or sophistry on your or anybody else's part is going to change that.

29 posted on 11/14/2005 1:31:05 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

Hoplite, as I said before, you obviously have not done any independent investigation into the facts and therefore are forced to rely solely on the allegations of the first Gotovina indictment in order to debate me. Unfortunately, in your rush to respond to me, you did not fully investigate the charges of your most recent post. First, the "39 of 97" victims listed in the first indictment against Gotovina do not appear in the second indictment against Gotovina. Do you know why? Obviously not. First, some of the "murder victims" of Gotovina were in fact discovered to be ALIVE AND WELL AND LIVING IN SERBIA AND BOSNIA, respectively. See, e.g. Bosiljka Beric and Mirjana Beric in the annex to the first Gotovina indictment. Second, the remainder of the alleged victims were killed in areas that, it turns out, were not part of the territory which Gotovina was responsible for, but rather were part of the territory of General Petar Stipetic in the Sector North. General Stipetic has been exonerated of these incidents by Carla Del Ponte, so one can conclude that these individuals were in fact NOT MURDERED. Third, there is no evidence whatsoever that has been published by anyone, including Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, that any soldier under Gotovina's command committed any crime. The fact that the indictment alleges broadly that every person walking the territory of Sector South in Croatia was part of the "Croatian armed forces" and therefore under Gotovina's charge is ridiculous, and is just as discredited at this point as the charge that Gotovina "murdered" people who are in fact alive. The fact is, Hoplite, Gotovina is innocent. And the fact is, you are ill equipped to debate the specific facts of the Gotovina indictment at this point. It would take you years to catch up. I invite you to do so. Until then, however, I suggest that you refrain from attempting to disguise your inadequate preparation for this debate by starting a flame war with words like "apologist," and conclusory statements like "Gotovina is a war criminal."


30 posted on 11/14/2005 1:53:18 PM PST by Ezekiel2517
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