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To: tsomer; redgolum
canonize Martin Luther.

Not knowing enough about M. Luther, I don't know if he could or could not meet the criteria for a saint. He probably did. Red, please could you tell us your thoughts?
259 posted on 11/14/2005 10:30:16 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
Very interesting question. I assume you mean "Saint" by the Roman Catholic definition. While I am not 100% familiar with the requirements, I will give it a shot.

As I understand, to be canonized requires that the person perform a visible ministry, have miracles attributed to them after their death, and be recognized by a council or the pope. Since the last one doesn't apply, we will skip it.

Lutheran's in particular and Protestants in general value a lot of Luther's theology. He wasn't perfect however, and some of what he wrote about was not considered right. However, when you read about some of the early church saints, they also have some beliefs that are not quite square with modern theology. I don't mean that they were really off, but that some expressed beliefs that were later rejected in councils.

The second one is kind of a hard one. There have been a very small number of Lutheran stigma's, and at least one I am aware of that had visions of Luther in heaven. There are also other stories that I have heard of a type of "saintly intercession" by what would be considered Lutheran "saints", but the thing is we really don't have a system to document such things.

So, assuming that for some reason that the schism of the Reformation didn't happen like it did, I suspect Luther could have become a saint. But since the elector princes got as stubborn as Leo X, we won't know on this earth.
272 posted on 11/15/2005 7:08:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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