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For state NJ GOP, the numbers never added up
North Jersey Newspapers ^ | 11.13.05 | MIKE KELLY

Posted on 11/13/2005 9:24:07 PM PST by Coleus

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Lonegan: NJGOP Needs To Rebuild With New, Conservative Leadership.

1 posted on 11/13/2005 9:24:09 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Coleus

U.S attorney Chris Christie should have run.

He has been the leader in rounding up all the crooks in NJ.

He also comes across as an average guy.

Would have been nice to turn the culture of corruption agains the dems with a real straight shooter.

Christie would have made it much more a competitive race. He also wouldn't be bashing Bush if he lost. He is a class act that campaigned his heart out for Bush in 2000.


2 posted on 11/13/2005 9:30:04 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Coleus

Bend over. More taxes will no doubt solve all problems, although it never has. Corzine will try plan 1203.03.rev b, which is soak the rich with incomes less than 40K per year.


3 posted on 11/13/2005 9:33:25 PM PST by kylaka
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U.S attorney Chris Christie should have run. >>

everyone is saying this without ever hearing his platform on lowering taxes, regulations, making nj more business friendly. IMHO, His job as US Attorney has no bearing on a candidate for governor.
4 posted on 11/13/2005 9:44:38 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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Forrester should've never won the primaries. The only reason Corzine won is because Forrester bought the GOP ticket for himself. Selfish bastard.


5 posted on 11/13/2005 9:45:53 PM PST by Nipplemancer (Abolish the DEA !)
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To: kylaka

There is a large nonvoting bloc in NJ who do not see any difference between the two parties. Father's rights is one group. Not all of them are deadbeats, many are holding two or three jobs just trying to live, eat and pay their alimony. Many lost their wives, because their wives were unhappy with them and found something better. Now they live in legal slavery. Lose your job or have health problems, alimony must be paid. There is no respite. Make more money, and the wife's attorney will come knocking on their doors for it. Others just hit the bottle and gave up hope. Few desperate ones commit suicide. They suffer in silence because they have no advocate that will balance the alimony laws between husband and wife.


6 posted on 11/13/2005 9:50:47 PM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Coleus
But New Jersey Republicans are still looking for a formula that works.

The formula that works is conservativism. The political consultants all want to go for the mushy middle but there are many more conservatives than must people realize and that the polls uncover. Look at talk radio, that is your poll. Someone with the guts to run on a strong conservative platform will win. Most give in to the mushy middle who then stay home while the unions turn out the Democrat base.

7 posted on 11/13/2005 9:51:54 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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He never sought help from President Bush, fearing the president's problems with the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina would turn off voters.

Yet the loser has the nerve to blame Bush for his loss. It couldn't be he ran a lousy campaign, is a Liberal and to boot is in a state where Whitman's legacy BEYOND what is implied in the article is WHY Democrats are the Majority party. Her legacy was the collapse of the Party in N.J., and now she wants the same for the national GOP.

Fire the GOP state chairman, Lonegan thundered. Fire the assembly minority leader, too. And one more thing: cleanse Republicanism of any taint of liberalism.

"It's time to start winning again," Lonegan said.

Yahoo! I like this guy! Listen to him! It may not be an instant fix, but if he commits to it and they commit to it in 10-20 years they can start to show inroads.

8 posted on 11/13/2005 9:57:22 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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Problem is the state GOP itself. Real conservatives get the shaft while filthy RINOs and wealthy country club Republicans are fawned over.

Just like in NY, CA, IL, and now NJ - those state Republican parties are a joke.

9 posted on 11/13/2005 10:01:47 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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The spending, open borders, non-prosecution of employers of illegal aliens, not developing our own oil resources and time spent dallying around with IMPORTANT things like steroids in pro sports is making ALL GOP state parties look like jokes.


10 posted on 11/13/2005 10:09:20 PM PST by 308MBR (If we ain't supposed to eat animals, how come they're made out of meat?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I wouldn't run down those wealthy country club Republicans. Someone has to finance party operations.


11 posted on 11/13/2005 10:09:45 PM PST by mm201
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To: Coleus

From what I have read Christie is over all a conservative. And anyone would be better than the tired old schundler and forrester crowd.

Do you know what Kean Jr is like politically? Is he a moderate like his dad or more conservative. With Christie and Kean Jr the bench isn't bad for the Gop in NJ even if the state party is a mess.


12 posted on 11/13/2005 10:11:46 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
The formula that works is conservativism. The political consultants all want to go for the mushy middle but there are many more conservatives than must people realize and that the polls uncover. Look at talk radio, that is your poll. Someone with the guts to run on a strong conservative platform will win. Most give in to the mushy middle who then stay home while the unions turn out the Democrat base.

I absolutely agree. The political pundits (or numnuts) and liberal, left-wing MSM are ALWAYS are pushing, advocating, critiquing Republicans to "turn left, young man (or woman), turn to the center, you gotta reach out to the soft mushy center." I believe they recommend & write this crap because they KNOW that if a conservative Republican ran a strong, principled, unapologetic, conservative campaign, that candidate would bury the liberal opposition. Yet time and time again, the RNC leadership and top Repuke gurus fall for that line over and over. When will they ever learn? With just that one strongly worded speech last week and his (finally) good SCOTUS appointment of Alito, President Bush has recaptured much of the support from the conservative majority base. I wish the Republicans would realize that the more they turn left and reach for the mushy center, the worse they do....but when they reach out and act on conservative principles, they win and build majorities.

13 posted on 11/13/2005 10:13:07 PM PST by rcrngroup
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I live in New Jersey. I voted for Forrester. He was not a very good candidate but might have made a decent governor. Corzine is a horrible person - the stink of corruption emits all around him - like those smells you get as you drive down the turnpike. The Democrats in New Jersey are totally corrupt but the sad news is Republicans are a basically dead party in this state. New Jersey has been taken over by brain dead liberals and New Jersey is now a liberal wasteland. The reason why - New Jersey is a nice suburban place to live and all the liberal snobs who make their money in New York move to New Jersey to live and that is why my once pleasant state has been poisoned. Sad really.


14 posted on 11/13/2005 10:15:53 PM PST by Italia222
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To: mm201
I wouldn't run down those wealthy country club Republicans. Someone has to finance party operations.

That's why they're wealthy - because they know they won't get a dime from the grassroots.

If they were conservative they wouldn't have to worry about financing their campaigns.

15 posted on 11/13/2005 10:17:37 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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I think overall NJ is just a liberal state. Schundler was a good conservative but he only got 40% of the vote in 2001.

When the state falls into the Atlantic under the burden of high taxes, regulation, and corruption maybe a conservative will win.

16 posted on 11/13/2005 10:19:48 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Coleus
I was heartened by the dozens of e-mails I received in response to the press statement I put out last week calling for a conservative change in the leadership of our state party.  Unfortunately, those people responsible for this year's election catastrophe refused to take responsibility for this defeat and remain in their positions today.  Most Republican Party officials, particularly those with the liberal so-called "moderate" wing, are in complete denial about the continued electoral slide that is a direct result of their strong-arm "leadership" and total lack of philosophy.
 
Below are Google News links to recent news stories where I have appeared.  As always, I am available to discuss with the media my reasons for believing that New Jersey Republicans will win once more once we stand for principle, for taxpayers and for our conservative values.  As a homeowner, taxpayer and concerned citizen, I will continue to speak out for these and other important issues over the coming months.
 
If you no longer wish to receive these emails, please hit "REPLY" and type "UNSUBSCRIBE" in either the subject line or body of the email.  Thank you.
 
Mayor Steve Lonegan.
 

17 posted on 11/13/2005 10:22:50 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I think that's why they're wealthy because they are conservative.


18 posted on 11/13/2005 10:23:00 PM PST by mm201
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You know more than I about the politics of the state but I suspect Shundler played to the middle and modified his conservatism some just like the rest of them do.


19 posted on 11/13/2005 10:25:48 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: johnmecainrino
Do you know what Kean Jr is like politically?

He's as far to the right as Mike Bloomberg is.

20 posted on 11/13/2005 10:26:52 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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