Atheist to sue over 'In God We Trust' on money

www.volunteertv.com ^ | 11/13/05

[Ellesu]

SACRAMENTO, Calif. The atheist who's spent years trying to ban recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools says he'll file a new lawsuit this week.

Michael Newdow says he'll ask a federal court to order removal of the national motto "In God We Trust" from U-S coins and currency. He says it violates the religious rights of atheists who belong to his "First Amendment Church of True Science."

The church's "three suggestions" are "question, be honest and do what's right." Newdow says it wouldn't be right to take up a collection when the money says "In God We Trust."

Last year, the Supreme Court dismissed Newdow's lawsuit over the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance because he doesn't have custody of his daughter, in whose name the lawsuit was filed.

Newdow has resurrected that case by filing an identical lawsuit on behalf of two families.

[orionblamblam]

> "I want this guy taken out. Once and for all. Whether be the courts or whatever means we can."

I want to thank you for quoting this now-removed post. Otherwise, how would I know what true Christian compassion is?

[Windcatcher]

Tsk. Tsk. That's a broad brush, mate. One post does not all Christians make. Just like one person does not all athesists make. Somtimes you just need to take someone aside and calm him down (or dump some cold water on him, pick your poison).

[thoughtomator]

That means it was a good one.

[AZ_Cowboy]

Atheist to sue over 'In God We Trust' on money

You knew it was only a matter of time.

Where did those people go who said this would never happen, again? There are a few people I wish I had forced to place a bet with me right about now...

[ottersnot]

Oh God, not him again! ( sigh--this is getting old).

Neil Young was right. Rust never sleeps.

[AZ_Cowboy]

I've always been a fan of the Remington 700, myself. The Winchester is a fine rifle, too, however.

[CyberAnt]

Well .. if he doesn't like "In God We Trust" on his money .. he can send his money to me .. It doesn't bother me to have that statement on my money.

[Chena]

I object to the government funding scientific research because it could be construed to favor the religion "First Amendment Church of True Science". I'm also offended by all school science classes.

BRAVO!

[Prime Choice]

If this jackass wants his money to not have "In God We Trust" on it, then I suggest he move somewhere that doesn't have such things on their currency.

Here's a start:

[Chena]

OMGosh, you never cease to amaze me with your intellectual posts! I'm going to bookmark this one as well and read it when it isn't quite so late at night so I can digest it all with no cobwebs on my brain. lol

Well done, sir. :)

[JulieRNR21]

If this guy is so offended by 'In God We Trust'....he should just stop using our money!


BTW.....Have you signed Jeff Head's petition yet?

Please ping your FRiends to this thread:

A Petition to Oppose the "Crescent of Embrace " Proposal for the Flight 93 Memorial

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1516992/posts


Please tell everyone you can to go here to sign:

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[freepatriot32]

Someone needs to take a hot iron and brand In God We Trust on Newdow's brow.

his parents already branded pathetic asshalf uber nerd into every chromosone in his body

[jonrick46]

Imagine if you would for just one second that the dead really are rising for some unknown reason and preying on the living. Having taken this vision one step further, you have entered a nightmarish world. . . "When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth." Then you will have mutant zombies like Newdow, out of the Dawn of the Dead, preying on our freedoms, like some flesh-feeding demon. In Newdow's case his appetite is for the bread of life--the moral framework of our civilization. It is an appetite that has no limit. He must be stopped.

To some Newdow may seem like a little insignificant termite chewing on something under the house. However, like the zombies from the Dawn of the Dead, he will create more zombies--more little termites--until the house comes crashing down.

[doug from upland]

Quite a powerful description of the self-centered, narcisisstic POS.

[HitmanLV]

Has anybody asked him how he managed to get through life being offended so often and so easily?

In other words, has he considered that maybe he is just too sensitive?

[chae]

Dittos to your comments. I was lost about 5 years ago. For awhile I was really good friends with people in the Wiccan and Pagan community. The seemed to act more Christ-like than most of the people running around wearing WWJD shirts.
I believe D.C. Talk said the biggest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who praise God with their lips and tghen deny him with their actions.

[Time4Atlas2Shrug]

I tend to favor the opinion that his efforts are ill-conceived, yet I am having a difficult time finding a constitutional argument that renders his assertions false.

The best I can come up with is that "God" is not unique to any particular religion. I understand that atheists see the reference as a religious one, but it is not the government specifically "respecting an establishment of religion". (Webster's defines "establishment" as "that which is ordained" or "set up".) This would seem to require that the government is respecting something that someone, or group, has set up such as would occur with the establishment of a church or a religious denomination, not a general belief.

Perhaps the issue could lie in how the founders defined "religion". Has the meaning evolved and our modern usage is different than it was in the 1700's?

Another huge problem that our founders did not create is the incorporation of the states via the 14th Amendment into the Bill of Rights. They originally only applied to the federal government but the SCOTUS then determined that the 14th Amendment removed the states' ability to create their own constitutions without federal oversight. That is why the language of the First Amendment begins "Congress shall make no law" - it was not intended to limit the states.

Anyway, I would love our FReeper constitutionalists to weigh in on both sides of the argument if possible. Sorry for the lengthy post.

Thanks.

[RunningWolf]

As a born American, this kind of internal assault on our symbols alarms me
(as much or even more than the Janet Reno sieges on private citizens).

I lay much of this corruption of our culture at the feet of the very lax immigration policy over the last 25 years.

Wolf

[kingu]

"Your Honors, Mister Newdow is so horrified and impacted by the motto 'In God We Trust' that he has collected currency since he was a child. Even now, bank records show, he holds quite a stash of the offending currency. Beyond, those same bank records show that he's paid tremendous amounts of these offending notes to his mortgage company, his auto loan company and other entities.

"For the plaintiff to seek such a change, he would have to show that he is impacted in some form, that he has taken some form of effort to minimize the effect. Instead, we have a gentleman who is effectively standing in the middle of the church service that so deeply offends his core and demanding that everyone else stop praying since it bothers him.

"This case should be dismissed until such time that he divests himself of the currency that offends him and also divests of all property gained from using that currency. Anything less is saying to all future plaintiffs - go ahead, stand in the middle of the freeway, and sue to prevent people from driving cars because it puts you in danger. This is absolutely devoid of all common sense and it destroys one of the common ideals of the very basis of our law - if you are a party to the events, you can not sue to stop yourself."

[RunningWolf]

Side note; either Winchester or Remington 30-06 is very good, forget the wood, replace the wood $ with the best sights, add scope if you want.

Wolf