"So pointing out that "God belief" is not a short and concise summary of all religions in the world is analagous to being ignorant of air resistance?"
You're getting colder.
"Citations to the contrary?"
They're all over the place. Could you really have missed them all?
"a number of them have admitted to being crevos in disguise."
Haven't seen that, myself. Dishonesty being contrary to the principles of Christianity, it's rather difficult to credit.
"Why did Pat Robertson claim that the citizens of Dover should not call upon God in the face of a disaster?"
I don't recall PR ever claiming to be anything but a Biblical literalist.
"Why did members of the Kansas Board of Education state outright that their objections to evolution were religious in nature?"
Since ID proponents don't object to evolution, I fail to see how that bears on the subject.
"And you won't find anyone on the evolution side who will take issue with this statement."
Au contraire, mon frere. I have found scads who fly into screaming conniptions at the mere suggestion.
"Some will correctly tell you that this position is not scientific, but that's not the same as the position being false."
That's very rational.
Look, I agree that science classes shouldn't be converted into theology classes. But where is the pressing need for an absolute embargo on any mention, however brief, of a credible position taken by many intelligent people?
I could see scientists getting upset if there were a requirement to teach a great deal of theology, or to spend even five minutes per class on it, but whence this demand for a hermetic seal?
"Please. I've met very few atheists who actually make such a claim."
You must have walked through a door into an alternate reality of greater rationality. It sure is a lot different from this universe.
"The majority of people opposing ID in schools are theists, not atheists. Your claim doesn't stand up to cursory scrutiny."
Again, that's your perception.
"Why did you quote me out of context like that?"
It wasn't clear to me. That's the way I read it. Now that you have corrected me as to your intent, I apologize for any offense my incorrect reading caused.
That said, I must ask again: Whence this desperate need for a hermetic seal? What harm is done by taking a minute or so during a semester to mention that some people think that God is behind it all?
"That would be because "God was behind it all", while possibly a true statement, is not a scientific statement and it is fundamentally dishonest to present it as such."
I don't recall presenting it as a scientific statement.
A semester is roughly nine weeks. A typical class might have three hours a week of lectures. That's 1,620 minutes. Is the scientific community so bereft of consideration for the feelings of its fellow citizens that they man the barricades and fight to the last man rather than offer a single one of those minutes for the expression of a statement that, while not scientific, has huge implications for the decision a scientist must make in the course of his work?
Dishonesty being contrary to the principles of Christianity, it's rather difficult to credit.
Yup:
Exodus 20: 16 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
also...
Deuteronomy 5:20 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
There's also these:
NIV Joshua 2:1-6
1. Then Joshua son of Nun secretly sent two spies from Shittim. "Go, look over the land," he said, "especially Jericho." So they went and entered the house of a prostitute named Rahab and stayed there.
2. The king of Jericho was told, "Look! Some of the Israelites have come here tonight to spy out the land."
3. So the king of Jericho sent this message to Rahab: "Bring out the men who came to you and entered your house, because they have come to spy out the whole land."
4. But the woman had taken the two men and hidden them. She said, "Yes, the men came to me, but I did not know where they had come from.
5. At dusk, when it was time to close the city gate, the men left. I don't know which way they went. Go after them quickly. You may catch up with them." <-- Big, Fat LIE!!!!
6. (But she had taken them up to the roof and hidden them under the stalks of flax she had laid out on the roof.)
NIV Joshua 6:17
The city and all that is in it are to be devoted to the LORD. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall be spared, because she hid the spies we sent.
NIV Joshua 6:23
So the young men who had done the spying went in and brought out Rahab, her father and mother and brothers and all who belonged to her. They brought out her entire family and put them in a place outside the camp of Israel.
NIV Joshua 6:25
But Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute, with her family and all who belonged to her, because she hid the men Joshua had sent as spies to Jericho--and she lives among the Israelites to this day.
NIV Matthew 1:1-17
1. A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham:
2. Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
3. Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram,
4. Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon,
5. Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse,
6. and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife,
7. Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa,
8. Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah,
9. Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah,
10. Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah,
11. and Josiah the father of Jeconiah and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon.
12. After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel,
13. Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor,
14. Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud,
15. Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob,
16. and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17. Thus there were fourteen generations in all from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the exile to Babylon, and fourteen from the exile to the Christ.
NIV Hebrews 11:31
By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.
NIV James 2:25
In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?
Now.... what was your point again??