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Gays push to recast marriage on morals
Reuters ^ | Reuters | Duncan Martell

Posted on 11/12/2005 4:07:04 PM PST by dvan

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To: dvan

With regards to homosexuality, the moral choice would be to help them overcome their lifestyle...not encourage it.


41 posted on 11/13/2005 10:41:47 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: dvan
Two key elements in the strategy to defeat more votes banning same-sex marriage will be reaching out to people of faith...

People of true faith, not of some contrived politically expedient variety, have been approving marriage protection referendums hands down in the past couple of years (Thank you, Texas!) What support do they think they'll find among this group?

...and demanding that Democrats, who have long counted on gays and lesbian as core supporters, stand up for the gay community.... "The Democrats' response to gay issues over the last few years has been incoherent and spineless, and that has only worked to their disadvantage..."

The sweet irony of this statement is LOL amusing. The Democratic Party, in embracing the homosexual agenda as an office platform issue, would almost surely condemn itself to further election losses and loss of relevance. Don't they realize that President Clinton and and a majority of Democrats in Congress signed DOMA into law for the reason that the majority of good, thinking Americans see this issue for what it is? And the Democrats loose the radical gay constituency if they remain "spineless"... what an interesting situation we're going to see over the next few years.

42 posted on 11/13/2005 11:43:21 AM PST by fwdude
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To: megatherium
I am afraid that homosexuals do not make a choice to be sexually or romantically attracted to the same gender. They can only choose to act on their desires or to resist them.

If this is true, how do you explain bisexuality?

43 posted on 11/13/2005 12:03:28 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: judgeandjury
If this is true, how do you explain bisexuality?

True bisexuality does exist, but most homosexuals are not bisexual; most homosexual men experience little attraction to the fairer sex.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, some heterosexual men will find gratification in homosexual activity, in settings such as prison, but these men prefer sexual contact with women and will not participate in homosexual contact if heterosexual outlets are available. Conversely, there are men who are homosexual who are able to function in heterosexual marriages even though their strong preference is for homosexual sex. More than a few women find themselves married to such men; unfortunately, this sometimes leads to transmission of HIV to the wife, or to sad dramas such as a man being arrested for seeking furtive homosexual contact in a city park or restroom. (Any gay man who decides to attempt reparative therapy and who seeks marriage must be honest and open to his wife; a woman needs love and courage to enter into such a marriage.)

Research by the geneticist Dean Hamer indicates that true bisexuality is uncommon. He asked men various questions concerning their sexuality, e.g., "if you are walking down the street and you see someone attractive, what gender are they?". He was trying to get at their real sexual orientation, instead of their behavior. What he found was interesting: On the Kinsey scale (where 0=completely straight, 6=completely gay), it turns out most men are 0 or 1, or else 5 or 6. Few men are in the middle. (The distribution is "bimodal".) Hamer of course reached the conclusion that this indicates homosexuality is a trait, likely to have a genetic origin. He in fact claimed to have located a gene, on the X chromosome (and thus always inherited from the mother). But this result was not replicated, and the origins of homosexuality remain murky.

The above comments concern men. It is well-known that women seem to be less fixed in their sexuality than men. In fact, there's a joke that refers to "LUGs", women who are Lesbian Until Graduation. Also, there are fewer lesbians than gay men (the ratio seems to be two to one in favor of gay men.) Why this is so, no one knows.

44 posted on 11/13/2005 12:41:33 PM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: dvan
"Imagine if this was being done to a minority in Kosovo -- people would be outraged."

Yes, but the Kosovars would be outraged that they were not allowed to kill homosexuals by toppling a wall on them, as sharia prescribes.

45 posted on 11/13/2005 12:46:21 PM PST by Jim Noble (Non, je ne regrette rien)
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BEFORE the homosexuals were casting ALL objection to homosexual marriage was just RELIGIONS OVER MORALISM.

They ignored all non-religious objections.

SO like other homosexual efforts, they are trying to PROPAGANDA LIE that magically NOW religious moralism favors the promotion of soddomy.

This is ALL about a chosen recreational sex behavior being ecconomically rewarded.


46 posted on 11/13/2005 12:50:12 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: megatherium

If you just go to exodus and ask them about that, I am sure they will know about the J-H program and what happened with it. My source was good.


47 posted on 11/13/2005 1:33:11 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: judgeandjury

Bisexuality, homosexuality, chastity -- they are all decisions. Action is a decision. Desire is just a feeling. Moral codes override desires all the time -- your desire to have the last word with your boss, desire to pursue a flame outside of marriage, desire to stay in bed and not go to work, desire to eat the whole cheesecake instead of a small piece. Moral decisions, actions, taking the high road -- those are decisions of the will. They have nothing to do with what you want.


48 posted on 11/13/2005 1:35:51 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: megatherium
. The key thing to understand is most gay men report that they have no conscious memory of when or how they became gay.

Actually I've read studies that up to 50% of homosexual men reported being sexually abused as a minor. This would indicate that there was a precipitating factor in their sexual preference.

Also, most gay men report that their same-sex desires are as deeply determined as most heterosexuals report their opposite-sex desires to be deeply determined.

If that's true, then I certainly hope the Vatican report on the ordination of homosexual men takes that into account that all homosexual tendencies are "deep-seated" and hence a bar to ordination.

49 posted on 11/14/2005 12:20:27 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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Homosexuals aren't victims because they are homosexuals. They are victims of screwed up genes. There's no fixing it either.

There is no genetic component to Same-sex attraction disorder. Lots of studies have reported finding a link and all of them have been bedunked. It is entirely a mental illness.

It is caused by one of three primary causes. 1. Having a weak or absent relationship with one's father, 2. Being molested or abused. 3. Being relentlessly teased by one's peers during the formative years.

It is also curable. Reparative therapy, oth secular and religious has shown a cure rate at least equal to the cure rate for alcoholism. There are thousands of ex-homosexuals.

Read the homosexual agenda list of links for further details. (It's on freeper Scripter's profile page)

(I agree with the rest of your post)

50 posted on 11/14/2005 6:50:34 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: starfish923
Here's the link:

Homosexual Agenda list of links

51 posted on 11/14/2005 6:51:53 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: megatherium
homosexuality is entirely a mental illness. You already listed the causes. Weak or absent relationship with one's father, being molested etc.

Sure some are exposed to these things but don't come down with the disease. Does everyone exposed to the flu get sick?

Every 'genetic link' study has been debunked. There is no genetic link to this disease. and it is curable whenever the 'homosexual' desires to be cured of it.

52 posted on 11/14/2005 6:54:24 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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