ID [Intelligent Design] Opens Astronomer’s Mind to Universe’s Surprises

Discovery Institute ^ | November 10, 2005 | Julia C. Keller

[Nephi]

Thanks, I was wondering where to begin searching because I know we (LDS) believe that a day to Heavenly Father is a thousand years to us.

[hosepipe]

Intelligent Design = Agnostic Creativism..

Evolution(survival of the fittest) = Atheist Dialectic Scientific Materialism

Creativism = a belief in the simple without being simplistic..

[Getready]

The problem is lots of people think(?) the "free expression"
of religion is the same as "establishing" it!

Soon, exchanging marriage vows with the opposite sex
will be seen as discriminatory "anti-same sex marriage language" and therefore banned (if you follow the same type of idiotic logic)

[Michael_Michaelangelo]

The ultimate intent of the evolutionistoids is, of course, the killing of God, which is to say of Christianity, which it is to say of Western Culture, which it is to say of the demeaning, debasing, dilution, and ultimate enslaving of the people of Western countries.

Well-said! Too long for a tagline, but not too long for my homepage.

FRegards!

[trashcanbred]

Why do you choose to ignore "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;?"

My post was in response to a person who said, "there was no separation of church and state in the Constitution". My reply was that he was wrong and I point to the First Amendment as proof.

So... why would I bring up the clause "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" in my argument? I also left out free speech, press, peaceable assembly and petitioning the gov't because they had nothing to do with my "separation of church and state" argument.

I am sorry I don't understand you, can you clarify?

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

Why do you choose to ignore "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;?"

For that matter, why do you choose to ignore "Congress shall make no law"?

If you ever go to Phila, please... please... please... go to the new Constitution center and educate yourself. Serious...

You do know, don't you, that some of the states that ratified the Constitution had established churches at the time of ratification, and that disestablishment was not expected of them (although they all eventually did)? But that's not even relevant to Batrachian's point. Batrachian was suggesting a return to conditions that existed as recently as 45 years ago.

[Batrachian]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

Right. How is teaching religion in school the same as congress passing a law?

You might as well say that the constitution guarantees a right to privacy and therefore abortion has to be legal. I'll bet that's exactly what you believe. Are you sure you're in the right forum?

[Batrachian]

Is your objection to the theory of evolution based on scientific grounds, or is it based on your religious convictions?

[caveat emptor]

re: It's unfalsifiable.)))

This phrase is an incessant cheap among the evobirdies. Is it a neologism, or does it simply mean, "it cannot be proven false"? Either way, it won't work as an incantation to wave away opposition.

FWIW it's standard English, derived from falsify, earliset use of which in my OED is 1502.

It's current use in re science started getting recognition as a means of distinguishing science from non-science in the 1960s, I believe, at the tail end of the demise of Logical Positivism, which used a Verifiability Principle in a similar way.

Evolution serves as a superb paradigm in educating new biology students into the structure and categorization of plant and animal nature. Family tree, if you will. As a paradigm, we can't do without it... Other than that--you start getting into what looks a lot like dogma.

You could be on to something there. Could be used heuristically for new biology students, if it's all that important, much as The Church was quite happy to allow a Copernican heuristic to describe planetary motion. It was hot headed priests and physicists who were the troublemakers. I believe today's Vatican is OK with a nuanced approach as well.

[Louis Foxwell]

ping

[Ichneumon]

[The ultimate intent of the evolutionistoids is, of course, the killing of God, which is to say of Christianity, which it is to say of Western Culture, which it is to say of the demeaning, debasing, dilution, and ultimate enslaving of the people of Western countries.]

Well-said!

Even though it's a complete and transparent lie?

The ridiculous nature of this falsehood can be seen by the fact that the *majority* of American evolutionists are Christians.

For that matter, a great deal of conservative Freepers are evolutionists as well.

So why don't you guys stop lying about us and try to start discussing something resembling reality for a change?

I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but this one isn't very good. In fact, it's downright goofy.

[Prodigal Son]

but your arrogant dismissal of his point

He says something that doesn't make a lot of sense and we comment on it and we're arrogant?

Whatever. Have a nice life.

[Tench_Coxe]

"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

There is the famous line by one of those folks that was the 'shot across the bow', so to speak--the phrase 'conservatives are retards'--that has me casually determined to show those folks for what they are. They exhibit similar characteristics to trolling behavior ( or at least flame baiting )--posting a thread, laying on the insults prety thickly, then, when called on it, leave that particular thread and move on to another.
The shameful part is, there are some very sharp folks on this forum that appear to have allowed themselves to be shanghaied into lending credibility to such behavior. A word of warning to those folks--while it is unfortunate, guilt by association is still a human failing, and it would be a good thing to take stock of that before ( rightly or wrongly ), people begin to hang the same label on you as they are on the more egregious elements.

[Ready2go]

"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

Amen Mamzelle;

That's why I believe we have visitors from DU here, especially the one's who are great at calling everyone a liar who doesn't walk lock-step with them.

I sure wouldn't want to be in their shoes when they come face to face with our AWESOME God!

[mlc9852]

There is no constituional reason local school boards can't teach what they want. Where is in written in the Constitution that the federal government is in charge of local education? If communities want to have religion classes and no one there complains, what business is it of the federal government?

[mlc9852]

"And the way evos behave on the FR board lead me to believe that it is priesthood they are after--they want to preach what they want to preach and deal with no heresies. Watching them here over the past few years, looking at their posting histories (they generally post to few threads other than evo-crevo issues) and their arrogant tone--they don't even seem to be interested in conservatism itself, just in having the opportunity to find conservative Christians and rattle their cages."

I couldn't agree more.

[mlc9852]

You have to remember context. I think the first chapter of Genesis is clear that a day is what we think of us a day. Otherwise, why would it be repeated so often?

[FormerLib]

Overturn this "separation of church and state" idiocy, which isn't in the constitution and is the creation of anti-religious liberals, then just teach the Bible in those localities that want it. Simple.

I can't help but notice that ID is never brought up at my kids' school where they have separate science and religion courses (of course, it's not a public institution).

[zeeba neighba]

I would think the laws of mathematics and music, the golden mean, the Fibonacci series, the Divine Proportion or Golden Section, etc. and the sheer complexity of life itself argues for an intelligence at work.