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McCain calls for 10,000 extra troops for Iraq
Financial Times ^ | November 10 2005 | Caroline Daniel and Guy Dinmor

Posted on 11/10/2005 2:36:58 PM PST by jmc1969

Senator John McCain on Thursday called for an immediate increase of 10,000 troops in Iraq, and said the “stakes are higher than they were in Vietnam” for US foreign policy.

Conceding that there was an “undeniable sense that things are slipping” in Iraq, Mr McCain said “we need a renewed effort to win the home front. Without it we will lose this war as soundly as if we had lost on the battlefield...We must get Iraq right, as American stakes in the conflict are enormous”.

Senator John Kerry has laid out an alternative strategy that would enable the US to bring home 20,000 troops.

But Mr McCain called that plan “a major step on the road to disaster. If we leave now the most likely result would be full-scale civil war. No American leader would want our nation to suffer that moral stain. Instability in Iraq would invite further Syrian and Iranian influence.”

Instead, he called for a military counter-insurgency strategy to create permanent safe areas in the country, rather than focus on short-term seasonal offences across different parts of the country. “Sweeping and leaving is not working. We need to clear and stay.”

The rival policies come amid a stream of visits from Iraqi officials in the run-up to elections on December 15. Adil Abdul Mahdi, the deputy president, on Thursday met administration officials who see him as a contender for prime minister.

A leading figure in the ruling Shia alliance, Abdul Mahdi said the alliance sought consensus politics and would not impose an Islamist vision on Iraq. Sale of alcohol would not be banned, for example, he said. He stressed that the new constitution was a “marriage” of Islamic and secular and democratic ideas.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: attentionslut; grandstandingrinoass; iraq; mccain; mcenemy; mcvain; mediawhore; neverbepresident; oif; rememberkeating5; troopstrength
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To: golfisnr1

Well, there is a fundamental problem. We are not fighting the war to win it. It is being fought to keep the MSM trash minimized, to keep the public negative opinion minimized, to keep political fallout on Capitol Hill minimized...but not to flat-out fight it, and win it -- whatever the short-term costs.


21 posted on 11/10/2005 2:45:55 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: beandog

McCain is too g-d old to be running for president.


22 posted on 11/10/2005 2:47:06 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jmc1969

I call for one good senator from Arizona too but look what that gets ya........


23 posted on 11/10/2005 2:47:08 PM PST by Two-Bits (Attn Terrorists: The Democrat Party does not speak for America. America is what is kicking your ..)
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To: NorCalRepub
"That may be......but I like him alot better then any Dem alternative.....he may be a maverick media whore but still is conservative on some issues...just not enough of them."

Only a liberal democrat would use the term "maverick" to describe John McCain.

24 posted on 11/10/2005 2:49:01 PM PST by Godebert
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To: golfisnr1

I think John has issues.


25 posted on 11/10/2005 2:49:04 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: NorCalRepub
Left wing populist rhino's like mclame are worse for America then most left wingers as they will compromise away what little freedom we have left.
26 posted on 11/10/2005 2:49:26 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (I shot an error into the air. It's still going everywhere. R. A. HEINLEIN)
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To: jmc1969
His new name should be McPanic. In Afghanistan he said we had to send in 20,000 troops. Kabul fell a week later. In OIF he said the same thing and Baghad fell two weeks later. He's been mouthing off ever since.

His assertion is that the generals over there need more troops but are afraid to ask. He believes the Administration doesn't want to send troops because it will make their critics (Zinni) look like they were right.

Against this you have two elections where the number of troops was raised. So McPanic is arguing the Administration is afraid to do something it's already done twice.

Would someone, anyone, stick a microphone in his face and ask him if he believes the generals would risk defeat and the loss of their men because they're afraid to ask for more troops? Then ask if he really believes the Administration's true position is: "It's OK if Iraq fails, as long as Zinni is validated".

If he were a Republican instead of a media whore, a reporter would ask how rotting in a POW prison qualifies him to determine troop levels in Iraq.

27 posted on 11/10/2005 2:49:32 PM PST by Dilbert56
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To: jmc1969

What a, well, the keywords speak for me....


28 posted on 11/10/2005 2:50:05 PM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/4 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: jmc1969

Friggin squid


29 posted on 11/10/2005 2:50:16 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: beandog

yes....I know...but at least he backed the war whole heartedly unlike those other weasals...he is just not consistent....I mean, if you look at his voting record he actually does vote with the party 75% of the time unlike Spector, Collins etc who are only about 45%....the really true RINO's.....but then he does just what you say...he goes on the media and blasts his own party just to hear himself talk....I just don't hate him as much as some do here since his voting record is still primarily Repub, but his love of the media do not endear him to many....that is for sure.....


30 posted on 11/10/2005 2:50:52 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Dilbert56
errata Should be: as long as Zinni isn't validated. Sorry, I type too fast when I'm pissed.
31 posted on 11/10/2005 2:51:14 PM PST by Dilbert56
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To: jmc1969
McCain is probably one of the worst informed senators in the entire senate. That never stops him from shooting off his mouth though.

Good grief man, at least hire decent staff to keep you up to date on things.

32 posted on 11/10/2005 2:51:56 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the Truth, Journalists write "Stories")
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To: onyx

John McCain has spent five years being a pain in GWB's side, with the exception of campaign 2004, why should anything he does suprise us.


33 posted on 11/10/2005 2:52:05 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: Godebert

well I don't take that bait....I see a maverick as going against the grain...or the mainstream...whatever....but that back handed attempt to label me is just a poor strategy....


34 posted on 11/10/2005 2:53:00 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: jmc1969
Instead, he called for a military counter-insurgency strategy to create permanent safe areas in the country, rather than focus on short-term seasonal offences across different parts of the country. “Sweeping and leaving is not working. We need to clear and stay.”

There is no such thing as a "permanent safe area" when your dealing with the type of enemy we are against in Iraq. They will kill themselves to get on the evening news cycles or into one of mclame's pontifications.

The answer is to sweep out the terrorists and establish Iraqi security units. Now since the Iraqi's have never had a security force which was really aimed at protecting its citizens it may take a few trys at it. But the absolutely wrong thing to do is setup the American Military as the local security in every town.

McCain is wrong on every major issue except that we need to stay in Iraq. IMO the man is a threat to this countries best interest........

35 posted on 11/10/2005 2:53:18 PM PST by federal
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To: jmc1969

I call for McCain to quit.


36 posted on 11/10/2005 2:55:09 PM PST by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: jmc1969
Just what the Pentagon and the COC need. A monday morning quarterback/armchair general in the senate. My disgust and contempt for the us congress (GOP controlled no less) reaches new levels daily.
37 posted on 11/10/2005 2:55:54 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

you are right in that analysis.....but his voting record would not dictate he is left wing....hell, his lifetime voting record is mor conservative then Zell Miller, and I thought we all loved Zell......don't get me wrong...when McCain opens his mouth...half the time I shudder....but my main point was that some here would rather Hitlery be Pres then vote for McCain....that is ludicrous


38 posted on 11/10/2005 2:57:17 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: jmc1969
We seem to have a 30,000 troop difference of opinion here between the RINOcrat and the communist.
39 posted on 11/10/2005 2:59:14 PM PST by RetiredArmy (I have no faith in any politician or political party any more. They all lie for their agendas.)
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To: jmc1969

Well, sir, I seem to recall you have done everything in your power to lose this war at home by undermining Rummy.

I have a question.

Is the President planning to up troops 10,000 for the next vote? Is McCain trying to get ahead and claim credit?

I'd also like to know if a Republican leaked to the Post, what connection McCain has to the person or event?


40 posted on 11/10/2005 3:00:12 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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