[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Exactly when was France ever started?

The English got bored with it and just cut it lose.

[BigEdLB]

RWC1:
Actually the Romans got bored with it, and cut it loose. Then there were the Merovignan kings who were incest mongers. They were so interested in what they were doing that, they had a Viking invasion in the North-West creating Normandy, Plus were usurped by Charlemagne's grandaddy. Then the French Vikings (Starting with the invader, Duke Rollo Rangvarsson, ancestor of of William I of England) and the English Vikings (King Hartecanute, e.g.) had a dispute which led to, the French Vikings (Norsemen with French wives) taking over the English Vikings, and thus becoming the English Vikings, who THEN cut France loose after a couple of hundred years, after Joan of Arc had them spooked...

So you see the only Frenchman that gets out of the Stuck on Surrender mode are the ones who aren't really French, like Interior Minister Sarkozy, whose father was a Hungarian.

[When do we get liberated?]

Um, actually after the battle of Hastings in 1066 France (Normandy) owned England. Then they found out the food sucks, so they let them go...