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At Center of a Clash, Rowdy Children in Coffee Shops
NY Times ^ | November 9, 2005 | JODI WILGOREN

Posted on 11/10/2005 5:42:34 AM PST by ellery

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To: gridlock
Kids went into the backyard where we could scream until the bark peeled off the trees without bothering anybody.

ROTFL!! Talk about OUTSIDE voices!!

61 posted on 11/10/2005 6:17:23 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: xsmommy

We had our 3 children out to lunch with my mother in law. Of course it was after my MIL bought my oldest child (4 y.o.) a toy that I specifically told her not to buy because it falls apart and is a BIG choking hazard. He was also kinda throwing it in the air to do wheelies, he didn't stop doing that when I asked. We took it away from my son who then started to cry. We reprimanded him for crying and my MIL tried to get involved and ask my son in a dramatically sympathetic voice what was wrong. I, in a VERY firm voice (ok, I snapped at her), told her not to talk to him until he is done crying. When my hubby told my son to stop or he would be leaving, he quickly stopped. We don't put up with our kids being loud in restaurants. That includes standing on the booth bugging the next people over.


62 posted on 11/10/2005 6:17:44 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Cut France some slack, this is the first battle they're losing this entire century.)
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To: Mercat

Sometimes children feel like misbehaving to see who is in charge.


63 posted on 11/10/2005 6:18:18 AM PST by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: gridlock
Gawd I love that kid. Of course, he's probably a sixteen-year-old car thief by now...

He was definitely a 'hooligan' in training!

64 posted on 11/10/2005 6:18:20 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: HOTTIEBOY

Sadly soccer moms vote. So do angry single professional women who cannot get a husband and see female friends of lesser achievements already married and raising a family.


65 posted on 11/10/2005 6:19:01 AM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: ellery

children runnign amok in acoffee shop OMG! how can the yuppies stand it??? the horror!


66 posted on 11/10/2005 6:19:25 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: garyhope

You are so right. Where have manners gone? I work in a professional office and one day as I walked through the reception area, one of our clients had removed his sandals and had is bare feet up on the sofa. Unbelievable!


67 posted on 11/10/2005 6:20:37 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: gridlock

I love the fact that when we go out with the boys and they see an out of control child, they look at the child like they are aliens, and I have actually had my oldest ask me where the parents are.


68 posted on 11/10/2005 6:20:52 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: SuziQ
These parents seem to feel like they have some right to inflict their children on everyone else.

I put these people in the same category as the rude, ignorant neighbors with the barking dogs.

69 posted on 11/10/2005 6:20:57 AM PST by bankwalker (An accusation is often a subconscious confession.)
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To: SuziQ
He was definitely a 'hooligan' in training!

Ah, such promise unfulfilled!

70 posted on 11/10/2005 6:21:22 AM PST by gridlock (Remember: Choosy newsies choose Iowahawk!)
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To: WV Mountain Mama

most of these people treat their kids like the universe revolves around them and expect other people to feel the same way. i always say that i really pity my kids the peers that they are in school with and will be in the workforce with, because it is not going to be pretty.


71 posted on 11/10/2005 6:21:42 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: SittinYonder
The POINT is it's HIS business. He has every right to deny service to people who are creating a disturbance in his establishment. I would never, and never did, allow my children to negatively affect someone else's dining experience. My children (five daughters) never misbehaved because they knew exactly what would happen to them if they did.

If these suburban SOWS don't like the rule, don't go there. If you don't like what's on TV, turn it off.

72 posted on 11/10/2005 6:22:45 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: OneRatToGo

Amen. We are constantly complimented on the manners of our children by the waitstaff at restaurants when we go out. I don't know who smiles the most, hubby or me.


73 posted on 11/10/2005 6:23:43 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: CajunConservative

Moreover, her comment implies that she spends "every minute of the day" sitting in the coffee shop! That can't look good on her resume--"Experience: sitting in coffee shop every minute of the day while child runs rampant."


74 posted on 11/10/2005 6:23:54 AM PST by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: StatenIsland
Alison Miller, 35, a psychologist, corporate coach and mother of two.

A proponent of the 'Dr. Spock' school of parenting. He inflicted more injury on this nation than the terrorists.

75 posted on 11/10/2005 6:24:28 AM PST by bankwalker (An accusation is often a subconscious confession.)
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To: MineralMan
Kids kicking the back of the airline seat! Hate it! I know it can be controlled because I've flown many times transAtalantic and transPacific with kiddos! A fantasy photo for you...
76 posted on 11/10/2005 6:24:51 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: SittinYonder
The customer isn't always right, BUT they are always The Customer. The way I see it, he's treating both the customer who doesn't want to listen to the rambunctious children and the customers with children respectfully by placing a diplomatic sign for all to see.
77 posted on 11/10/2005 6:25:09 AM PST by FourPeas ("You'll never find a better sparring partner than adversity." Golda Meir)
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To: rogercolleridge
Why do these parents always assume it's only childless people who are annoyed by their children?

They're operating entirely out of emotion and "rights" and entitlement (as mentioned in earlier posts) rather than out of a sense of society and rules and simple common sense. (I hate to sound trite, but that "rules don't matter, it's all about how I feeeel and nothing else matters, and if you haven't experienced it yourself then you have no standing" says liberal to me.)

All that to say that I have come to learn that upon approaching one of these self-centered renegades, I must whip open my wallet to show a family picture like I'm a cop proving that I have "authority" as I make my case -- the same case I would have been making as a 20-year-old single man, of course. And still I get a bunch of crap. Half the time they don't get the point, the other half of the time it's "yeah but they're not that young now, are they!" Once in a while you just have to roll your eyes and push 'em out the door.

78 posted on 11/10/2005 6:25:40 AM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: ellery
Sign idea: This is not an organic coffee shop. All free-range children will be caged
79 posted on 11/10/2005 6:26:12 AM PST by small voice in the wilderness (Make high definition tv fun. Aggravate 'em until their heads explode.)
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To: SittinYonder

"Interesting business philosophy. Either this guy has never heard of "The customer is always right" or he's trying to be the Soup Nazi of coffee"

Probably neither. The customer is always right, except when they aren't. It's his coffee shop, so he can do what he wants. He's running a coffee shop, not a day care. Screaming brats make everyone miserable, and if the parents can't control their demon spawn, then he has the right to ask them to leave.

As for his "former cheerleaders and beauty queens" comment, he's absolutely right. Good for him for giving those snobs a taste of reality.


80 posted on 11/10/2005 6:26:26 AM PST by exile (Exile - Helen Thomas tried to lure me into her Gingerbread House.)
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