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To: connectthedots; P-Marlowe; xzins
You are now setting an impossible standard. Based on your standard, there was no Jewish holocost, Abraham Lincoln was never the president of the United States, etc.

That's absurd. I never said that we must witness events to know that they happened. I only said that shared belief in a thing does not make that thing true.

There is plenty of objective evidence to support the Holocaust. There is plenty of objective evidence that Lincoln was President of the United States. Unbiased evidence from uninvolved sources. Physical evidence.

Indirect and circumstantial evidence is just as valid as any other kind of evidence. Direct evidence is sometimes the worst; such as eyewitness accounts, which can be completely unreliable.

I agree - eyewitness testimony is just about worthless. That was one of my original points, after all.

Do you believe in evolution? There is certainly no actual evidence for it.

Silly creationist canard, as bold as it is false. There is plenty of evidence to support the Theory of Evolution, or it wouldn't be a "theory". We don't have to have witnessed it to see evidence for it. Just as I didn't have to personally see Lincoln in office to know that he was the President.

There is plenty of objective evidence to support the Holocaust. There is plenty of objective evidence that Lincoln was President of the United States. There is plenty of objective evidence to support the Theory of Evolution. So far, the only evidence offered to support Christ's resurrection is unreliable eyewitness testimony, records written by his followers and the notion that "if enough people believe it, hey - it must be true."

Don't get me wrong - I'm in no way belittling anyone's belief. I'm only concerned when people start to confuse their personal faith with scientific evidence.

819 posted on 11/15/2005 12:29:24 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: highball
If what you claim is actual evidence of Lincoln and the holocost is true, and I believe it is, as well; similar types of evidence is available about Jesus Christ. Granted, it was about 2000 years ago; but there is more about the life, death and resurrection of Christ in ancient history than of any other person who lived up to and far after his time on Earth.

There is plenty of evidence to support the Theory of Evolution, or it wouldn't be a "theory". We don't have to have witnessed it to see evidence for it. Just as I didn't have to personally see Lincoln in office to know that he was the President.

Evidence for it an proof are not the same. Even evolutionists admit that evolution is not a fact. The historical evidence of Jesus Christ is far greater than that for evolution. granted, belief in Jesus Christ does require an element of faith; but so does a belief in evolution; doesn't it?

820 posted on 11/15/2005 2:37:27 PM PST by connectthedots
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