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To: highball
If what you claim is actual evidence of Lincoln and the holocost is true, and I believe it is, as well; similar types of evidence is available about Jesus Christ. Granted, it was about 2000 years ago; but there is more about the life, death and resurrection of Christ in ancient history than of any other person who lived up to and far after his time on Earth.

There is plenty of evidence to support the Theory of Evolution, or it wouldn't be a "theory". We don't have to have witnessed it to see evidence for it. Just as I didn't have to personally see Lincoln in office to know that he was the President.

Evidence for it an proof are not the same. Even evolutionists admit that evolution is not a fact. The historical evidence of Jesus Christ is far greater than that for evolution. granted, belief in Jesus Christ does require an element of faith; but so does a belief in evolution; doesn't it?

820 posted on 11/15/2005 2:37:27 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: connectthedots
but so does a belief in evolution; doesn't it?

No.

Definitions (from a google search):

Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"

Belief: any cognitive content (perception) held as true; religious faith

Based on this, evolution is a theory. CS and ID are beliefs.
821 posted on 11/15/2005 3:33:21 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: connectthedots
Evidence for it an proof are not the same. Even evolutionists admit that evolution is not a fact.

That's a stunningly dishonest statement, and flat-out wrong to boot.

Evolutionists admit that the Theory of Evolution is not a "fact," because no theory is. The Theory of Gravity isn't a fact either, to use scientific terminology. No theory is, that's what makes them "theories." That's where your statement is dishonest - it pretends that words don't mean what they mean in a scientific context.

Here's where your statement is flat-out wrong - evolution within a species is a fact. We can observe it in the lab, and in the natural environment. It happens, it is observable, it is testable. It is as much a fact as anything else in biology.

You're throwing around terms without regard to their meaning, attempting to redefine words to fit your ideology.

The historical evidence of Jesus Christ is far greater than that for evolution.

But not the evidence for his divinity - the only thing supporting that is the eyewitness testimony of his own followers, some of it recorded well after the fact. I do not doubt that the man lived, or that he had a profound impact on his society. But divine? That's an element of faith and faith alone, since there is zero objective evidence for it.

granted, belief in Jesus Christ does require an element of faith; but so does a belief in evolution; doesn't it?

No, it doesn't. No matter how much creationists might try that canard, it simply isn't true. Evolution only seems an article of faith if you close your eyes and ears to the evidence and pretend that it doesn't exist.

And once again, let me reiterate that I'm not against faith. I'm only against people confusing faith with fact, and then whining that their faith isn't being given affirmative action in the science classroom.

824 posted on 11/16/2005 6:53:14 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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