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To: highball; xzins; blue-duncan
I'm not dodging the question. Personally, I believe that the Bible contains more parables than just the ones attributed to Jesus. But again, that's not the point. If you have to believe that the first 10 words of the Bible (in whichever translation you prefer) are literally true for ID to make any sense whatsoever, then that tells us a lot about how "intelligent" it really is.

In other words, "No", you do not believe the first 10 words of the bible and "Yes", the bible starts out by spewing lies.

I can accept that answer. Why don't you just answer the questions like that? Are you afraid to express your beliefs?

Frankly I have no problem with evolutionists and intelligent design critics who do not believe in the God revealed in the Bible. I would expect them to deny the existence of such a God for the God revealed in the Bible takes credit for CREATING "the heavens, the earth and all that in them is". Maybe such a God does not exist. I accept skeptisim of that fact. What I have trouble with is those who claim to be followers of Christ and who claim to be believers in the God revealed in the Bible, yet they deny the truth of the book in which that God reveals himself to mankind.

If the first 10 words of the Bible do not express TRUTH, then the rest of the book cannot be trusted.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (2 Peter 1:16-17 KJV)

599 posted on 11/11/2005 7:57:14 AM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
In other words, "No", you do not believe the first 10 words of the bible and "Yes", the bible starts out by spewing lies.

Please do not put words in my mouth. It's disrespectful. That is not what I said.

I can accept that answer. Why don't you just answer the questions like that? Are you afraid to express your beliefs?

Because they aren't germane. Scientific fact is scientific fact, and my "beliefs" don't enter into it.

If the first 10 words of the Bible do not express TRUTH, then the rest of the book cannot be trusted.

Does the Bible have no more value to you than as a history or science textbook? Myself, I see it as an excellent guide to being the best person possible. I don't think that is invalidated by the scientific errors contained within it.

602 posted on 11/11/2005 8:17:27 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: P-Marlowe

The first ten words are fine.

It's thinking that Genesis is a biology textbook that causes problems.


603 posted on 11/11/2005 8:20:43 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: P-Marlowe
If the first 10 words of the Bible do not express TRUTH, then the rest of the book cannot be trusted.

You do realise that every time that you create that dichotomy you are telling everyone who is interested in the physical evidence that the entire Bible cannot be trusted, because the literal interpretation of those words is certainly false, to anyone who cares to inspect the physical evidence (as are ludicrous fables of the world ecology being saved on a wooden boat).

It doesn't matter to me, I'm an atheist anyway, but I know of Christians who have become atheists because of the precise dichotomy that you propose. At least one posts on these threads.

622 posted on 11/11/2005 9:31:23 AM PST by Thatcherite (Feminized androgenous automaton euro-weenie blackguard)
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