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In other words, "No", you do not believe the first 10 words of the bible and "Yes", the bible starts out by spewing lies.

Please do not put words in my mouth. It's disrespectful. That is not what I said.

I can accept that answer. Why don't you just answer the questions like that? Are you afraid to express your beliefs?

Because they aren't germane. Scientific fact is scientific fact, and my "beliefs" don't enter into it.

If the first 10 words of the Bible do not express TRUTH, then the rest of the book cannot be trusted.

Does the Bible have no more value to you than as a history or science textbook? Myself, I see it as an excellent guide to being the best person possible. I don't think that is invalidated by the scientific errors contained within it.

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Myself, I see it as an excellent guide to being the best person possible. I don't think that is invalidated by the scientific errors contained within it.

I think you're missing the point.

If I read Uncle Remus and learn how to be wily to avoid being hurt, I've learned an important lesson from fiction.

However, there is nothing binding about it.

It's the same with the bible. If they are a bunch of made up stories, I might learn some valuable lessons, BUT, they are not binding in any kind of way.

One cannot claim any ultimate morality based on Br'er Rabbit, nor can one claim any ultimate morality if it is only "Br'er Moses or Br'er Jesus."

Nice fables, but it's not like there's a God to enforce it all in some future divine day of reckoning.

You will just be dust after you die and that'll be that. It won't matter if you're Genghis Khan, Mae se Tung, Pol Pot, or Charles Manson.

They're just as well off as you are....little bits of dust that someday will get meaninglessly farflung when the sun supernovas.

So...who cares if the bible events are true?

[P-Marlowe]

Please do not put words in my mouth. It's disrespectful. That is not what I said.

Then just give a straight answer to a straight question. If you are going to give vague and meaningless answers, then those to whom you give those answers are free to deduce whatever conclusions they wish.

Why don't you just answer the questions? A simple yes or no will suffice.

1) Do you accept as truth the first 10 words of the Bible?
2) Or does the Bible start out by telling lies?

Now for your questions:

Does the Bible have no more value to you than as a history or science textbook?

The Bible is much more than history or science. It is TRUTH. It is not "cleverly designed fables".

[Doctor Stochastic]

Please do not put words in my mouth. It's disrespectful. That is not what I said.

He's been doing that for some time. It's one of the signs of a troll. Not worth responding to.