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To: P-Marlowe
Maybe the guy who wrote the story made up the part about God writing it with His own hand.

Naw, that would never cross your mind, would it? You readily believe, without evidence, that the Bible is the Word of God, but then you turn around and ignore the literally mountains of evidence for evolution.

180 posted on 11/10/2005 12:12:54 PM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior; MindBender26; xzins; blue-duncan
Maybe the guy who wrote the story made up the part about God writing it with His own hand.

That indeed is a viable possibility, isn't it. I have no problem with atheists or agnostics or hindus or Bhuddists who deny that God created the heavens and the earth. If in fact God did not create the heavens and the earth, then my faith is in vain.

I have a lot of problems with people who claim to believe in the God of the Bible, yet doubt the veracity of the very Bible that describes the God they claim to believe in.

If in fact the words on the Ten Commandments were just made up by men, then both Jesus and Moses were either frauds or fantasies. But if the story in Exodus is true, then God did indeed make the heavens and the earth and all that in them is in 6 days. Now we can argue as to what the meaning of "day" is, but it is clear that the description of creation in Genesis and it's confirmation in Exodus 20 contradicts any notion that the macro species we see on earth all evolved from some primitive (as yet to be identified) one celled randomly generated life form. It also contradicts any notion that man evolved from some lower life form, as man is specifically mentioned as a special creation of God.

I just don't countenance those who claim to believe the Bible, but can't seem to get past the first verse. If you can't get past the first verse of God's revealed word, then for God's sake, put it down and quit pretending to be a believer.

185 posted on 11/10/2005 12:31:17 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Junior; P-Marlowe
Maybe the guy who wrote the story made up the part about God writing it with His own hand. Naw, that would never cross your mind, would it?

Or maybe he's misunderstanding the passage. That doesn't seem to occur to enough folks either.

Even the Vatican has managed to badly misread Scripture:

"And if Your Reverence would read not only the Fathers but also the commentaries of modern writers on Genesis, Psalms, Ecclesiastes and Josue, you would find that all agree in explaining literally (ad litteram) that the sun is in the heavens and moves swiftly around the earth, and that the earth is far from the heavens and stands immobile in the center of the universe. [...] I add that the words 'the sun also riseth and the sun goeth down, and hasteneth to the place where he ariseth, etc.' were those of Solomon, who not only spoke by divine inspiration but was a man wise above all others and most learned in human sciences and in the knowledge of all created things, and his wisdom was from God."
-- Cardinal Robert Bellarmine, April 12, 1615 letter to Foscarini concerning Galileo's "heresy".
And:
"Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vaincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were in the year 1615 denounced to this Holy Office for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable and that the Earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; for having disciples to whom you taught the same doctrine; for holding correspondence with certain mathematicians of Germany concerning the same; for having printed certain letters, entitled "On the Sunspots," wherein you developed the same doctrine as true; and for replying to the objections from the Holy Scriptures, which from time to time were urged against it [i.e. for disagreeing with Bible-based criticisms - Ich.] [...] This Holy Tribunal being therefore of intention to proceed against the disorder and mischief thence resulting, which went on increasing to the prejudice of the Holy Faith, [...] The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture. [...] Furthermore, in order to completely eliminate such a pernicious doctrine, and not let it creep any further to the great detriment of Catholic truth, the Holy Congregation of the Index issued a decree which prohibited books which treat of this and declaring the doctrine itself to be false and wholly contrary to the divine and Holy Scripture. [...] We say, pronounce, sentence and declare that you, Galileo, by reason of these things which have been detailed in the trial and which you have confessed already, have rendered yourself according to this Holy Office vehemently suspect of heresy, namely of having held and believed a doctrine that is false and contrary to the divine and Holy Scripture: namely that Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west, and that one may hold and defend as probable an opinion after it has been declared and defined contrary to Holy Scripture. [...] Consequently, you have incurred all the censures and penalties enjoined and promulgated by the sacred Canons and all particular and general laws against such delinquents.
-- Papal Condemnation (Sentence) of Galileo (June 22, 1633)
If the Vatican get get Scripture so freaking wrong when they read it, I have even less confidence in the textual interpretations of amateurs.

This is why Galileo himself wrote -- very sensibly:

"The doctrine of the movements of the earth and the fixity of the sun is condemned [by the creationists of the day] on the ground that the Scriptures speak in many places of the sun moving and the earth standing still… I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the Scriptures, but with experiments and demonstrations.", "I accepted the Copernican position several years ago and discovered from thence the cause of many natural effects which are doubtless inexplicable by the current theories. [i.e., the new theory better matched and explained the observations - Ich.]" -- Galileo Galilei
Sadly, a lot of folks even today are stuck back in the 1600's when it comes to how they try to find the truth about how the world works.
196 posted on 11/10/2005 12:56:06 PM PST by Ichneumon
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