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STICKING TO HER STORY (Mapes "No one has proved that the documents were not authentic")
New York Post ^ | 11/09/05 | Michael Starr

Posted on 11/09/2005 1:16:11 PM PST by conservative in nyc

EX-CBS producer Mary Mapes, fired over a controversial "60 Minutes II" story on President Bush's National Guard service, says she still believes the report was "true" — and accurate.

"No one has proved that the documents were not authentic," Mapes says on this morning's "Good Morning America."

Mapes is breaking her silence to promote her new book, "Truth and Duty: The Press, the President, and the Privilege of Power."

--Snip--

She says she "did not have it in for George Bush" and says she doesn't feel responsible for what happened to her colleagues in the scandal's aftermath.

--Snip--

What Mapes doesn't dispute is the fact that she called a member of John Kerry's presidential campaign before the "60 Minutes II" report aired.

"I wish to God I hadn't done it, because I think it was so widly misinterpreted," she says - adding that she only made the call to curry favor with the source who gave her the disputed documents.

"I don't think that I committed bad journalism. I really don't," she says.

Mapes says she's continuing to investigate the source of the documents.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: danrather; denial; mapes; marymapes; rather; rathergate; riverinegypt; seebs
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To: Baynative

It was her responsibility to verify authenticity of the documents before using them. It was not the responsibility of the public to prove them false. Fortunately they did after Little Ms Mary let her arrogance override professional ethics.


61 posted on 11/09/2005 2:56:35 PM PST by hdstmf (too)
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To: conservative in nyc
So yes, Irish Thatcherite, you're a digital McCarthyite.

LOL!!

62 posted on 11/09/2005 2:56:36 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Bean Counter
I heard the interview Mapes did on Rush this morning, and its almost as if she is claiming some presumption of innocence until proven guilty, for the forged documents...just shows how twisted her mind really is.

Thing is, she speaks for probably 90+ percent of "journalists" today. The media's giving her the full star treatment, writing glowing articles about her and her book and letting her come onto their shows and spout her drivel with only an occasional softball tossed in to allow her to catch her breath.

As far as they're concerned, Mapes' only "crime" was to speak "truth to power." The media honestly believes that she was a victim of a Karl Rove-orchestrated smear campaign using crazy right-wing bloggers to cover his evil tracks. These mouth-breathing Christian goons used their Gestapo-like tactics to bully the networks into hiding the truth about how George Bush avoided his service in the TANG, all the while pushing the lying Swiftees in a despicable attempt to paint the greatest war hero our nation has ever produced into the fraud that Bushitler really was. That's their view of the whole episode in a nutshell.

And whether or not the documents were real or not is immaterial to them. Even if they were forgeries the story they told is true because they (the media) said it was. And since "no one has conclusively proved the documents were fakes", it doesn't matter any way because us Nazis can't prove they're fakes, and it's up to us to verify their authenticity. So Nyah, nyah, nyah!

I give it just a matter of weeks before she's hired on by some other network at a substantially increased pay rate. The book tour is as much about "rehabilitating" her as it is about selling books.

63 posted on 11/09/2005 3:06:37 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: conservative in nyc
"No one has proved that the documents were not authentic,"

Assume the above to be true, which it clearly is not...

Maybe someone should break it to Mary that it was her job to prove the documents were authentic...

64 posted on 11/09/2005 3:07:07 PM PST by dfrussell
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To: conservative in nyc
Two things strike me about this... The first is that Mary Mapes has all the characteristics of a "true believer"/fanatic which is about the true opposite of a REPORTER. While reporter was not her job title (producer), the requirements, especially during the close approach to the election, should have raised the reddest of signs and yet she insisted and continues to insist now that all should believe in documentation that completely fails the smell test.

The second, but even more worrisome thing is the ease with which she is apparently getting quality air time without much skepticism. It is an easy truism to say that if this had been an attack on Bill Clinton after his reelection in 1996, how much air time would such an author get from the MSM? The irony is that there were multiple books doing just that at that time and their presence in the MSM was barely a flicker. What is sauce for the goose ... but how can these show bookers and reporters look at this and say only trivialities?

The beam in their eye that they conveniently ignore is that Mary Mapes was a colleague in the incestuous world view that is fortress BlueMedia. She will attract an audience even of our persuasion who must listen to believe that such dogmatism is so resistant to reason and logic. Then when we wait to hear if the show talent has any response to such lapses, we are forcibly reminded that they probably feel only sympathy and fellowship for someone whose misfortune could so easily be their own.

So will continue her tour and once again the perception of the media-lead sheeple will remember this heroine and martyr of the VAST RIGHT WING! Arrgggggghhhhhhh!

65 posted on 11/09/2005 3:25:41 PM PST by SES1066 (Cycling to conserve, Conservative to save, Saving to Retire, will Retire to Cycle.)
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To: conservative in nyc; Buckhead

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60 MINUTES. BUSTED.


66 posted on 11/09/2005 3:26:21 PM PST by Fred Nerks (The media isn't mainstream it's the ENEMY! The enemy enemy ENEMEDIA!)
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To: r9etb; Cicero

The claim that the documents have not been proven as forgeries is yet another lie by Mapes.

They were definitively and irrebutably proven forgeries by Joseph Newcomer, http://www.flounder.com, and by Peter Tytell, the expert hired by the Thornburgh-Baccardi Investigative Panel. That was just based on typography.

Her claimed refuge in the content of the documents "meshing" with the known facts was eviscerated in full by the Thornburgh-Baccardi Report. Wikipedia's entry on the Killian documents is also very thorough on this point.

The Thornburgh-Baccardi Report documented literally hundreds of lies by Mapes, though they don't call them lies outright. They are contradictions laid out in the report between Mapes' endlessly self-serving story, and contemporaneous notes, e-mails, documents and recollections of everyone she talked to. She lied at virtually every turn to sell the story at CBS, in the package itself, and in defending it afterword.

Now she is recycling all those lies and telling a new bushel to boot.

Captain Ahab is laid back by comparison.

The Brian Ross piece on Good Morning America was brutal for Mapes, because he got her to say that in her world journalistic standards did not require that she establish authenticity.

She is making a bigger fool of herself every time she opens her mouth.

Her scheduled media appearances are as follows:

TELEVISION AND RADIO APPEARANCES

National Publicity Update



November 9, 2005

 
- GOOD MORNING AMERICA

- LARRY KING LIVE

- AIR AMERICA'S "MORNING EDITION"



November 10, 2005

 
- CNN "AMERICA MORNING"

- ACCESS HOLLYWOOD

- CNN "WOLF BLITZER"

- FOX NEWS CHANNEL "THE O'REILLY FACTOR"



November 11, 2005

 
- FOX NEWS CHANNEL- "FOX AND FRIENDS"

- 2 HOUR ABC RADIO SATELLITE TOUR

- MSNBC "HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATHEWS"



November 13, 2005

 
- CNN "RELIABLE SOURCES"



November 15, 2005

 
- CNBC "DONNY DEUTSCH"

- MSNBC "SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY"

- COURT TV "CRIER LIVE"

If the next few go as well for her as Good Morning America, I expect some of these will be cancelled.

The print publicity so far is the following:

ASSOCIATED PRESS - New book roundup

Next week

- BUFFALO NEWS - Feature interview
Nov 9, 2005

- DALLAS MORNING NEWS - Interview
Nov 9, 2005

- NEW YORK OBSERVER - Review
Out Now

- NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW - Major review
Nov 20, 2005

- USA TODAY - Life column item
Nov 1, 2005

- VARIETY - Interview
Out Now


- WALL STREET JOURNAL - Interview
Nov 10, 2005

- WASHINGTON POST - Interview with Howard Kurtz
Nov 9, 2005

- WASHINGTON POST BOOK WORLD - Review
Nov 13, 2005


67 posted on 11/09/2005 4:18:33 PM PST by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

Amazon.com Sales Rank:

Today: #1,135 in Books


68 posted on 11/09/2005 4:23:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: conservative in nyc; Cicero

> ... documents were not authentic, unless they were
> typed on a very expensive machine the Texas Air
> National guard never had ...

Attempts at replicating that failed. Even had they
matched the typeface, there were serious problems
with the content, terminology and chronology. Occam's
Razor says : 100% likelihood of inept 21st century
Word.doc fakes.

But people are missing the real news here. It's not
often that a Legacy Media type openly, explicitly
describes the principles that fuel their corruption.

Mapes has admitted not only a logical proof inversion,
but also her motivation: she enjoyed "making a difference"
(i.e. using her journalist position to support her
social advocacies).

Thanks Mary. No one can now pretend the episode was an
innocent error.


69 posted on 11/09/2005 4:26:38 PM PST by Boundless
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To: conservative in nyc

...and no one has proved that she is not a liar and a communist.


70 posted on 11/09/2005 4:28:04 PM PST by rogator
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To: Buckhead

A solemn bow to the master....


71 posted on 11/09/2005 4:50:07 PM PST by r9etb
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To: conservative in nyc

What was her "standard of journalism" quote?


72 posted on 11/09/2005 4:52:21 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Look for the union label--on the bat crashing through your windshield!)
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To: conservative in nyc

The proof is about as exhaustive as you can get, sheesh.


73 posted on 11/09/2005 5:33:57 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HUAC!)
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To: conservative in nyc

"No one has proved that the documents were not authentic"

No one has proved that John Kerry is not attracted to little boys.


74 posted on 11/09/2005 5:45:10 PM PST by SoCal_Republican (Bubbleheads for Bush)
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To: conservative in nyc
Another reality-based community member living in denial of reality.
75 posted on 11/09/2005 6:18:56 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: conservative in nyc

Mary Mapes should get Sandy Berger to go and dig the proof up and stuff it in his undershorts and socks....


76 posted on 11/09/2005 6:24:11 PM PST by onyx eyes (.... I'd give at least .50 cents to know why ....oh, never mind....)
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To: Redbob
The reason she has an 'unblemished' prior record is simply because she wasn't caught before!

Ahhh, but that's not quite correct. When she was a reporter in Seattle years ago, she was exposed for interviewing a supposed witness to a shooting, who actually had drunkenly staggered upon the scene after police and teevee cameras had arrived. John Carlson, of talk radio station KVI used to work with her at that time, and he has told the story of how she used this fool's statement either without any checking or with the knowldedge that he wasn't an "eye witness".

This was back in her early days at KIRO-TV in Seattle. So she has a long history of making thing up or not checking her story/facts and getting it wrong.

How many more of her "stories" have been based on unsubstantiated facts or documents, just to "get the story"?

But it's clear that she has no concept of ethics or the truth, nor morals probably. And it's not a recent affliction.

77 posted on 11/09/2005 6:37:32 PM PST by hadit2here ("Most men would rather die than think. Many do." - Bertrand Russell)
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To: conservative in nyc; Buckhead

Mapes believes that Rove masterminded the public attack on the CBS guard story.


http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20051109/1072692.asp

ON THE MEDIA
Fired producer finds there's life after CBS
By ANTHONY VIOLANTI

11/9/2005

EXCERPT

This year the media has changed as has the image of the Bush administration and its dealings with the press.

I. Lewis "Scooter' Libby Jr., a vice presidential adviser, has been indicted in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's name to reporters. Karl Rove, Bush's closest adviser, remains under investigation for his role in that case.

Mapes believes that Rove masterminded the public attack on the CBS guard story. It came out in September 2004, during the heat of a presidential election campaign.

"This administration has a terrible pattern of attempting to discredit and destroy people who have the temerity to raise an issue or criticize a policy," Mapes said in a telephone interview.

"I think we're going through a watershed event in this country in terms of understanding the media and our need for the media," she added. "We're seeing what the last five years of unquestioning coverage has gotten us."


78 posted on 11/09/2005 7:12:36 PM PST by maggief
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To: Alberta's Child
She says she "did not have it in for George Bush" and says she doesn't feel responsible for what happened to her colleagues in the scandal's aftermath.


79 posted on 11/09/2005 7:38:15 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: conservative in nyc

It was as authentic as Fraudulant 911 was factual! Her best line was when drilled about her proving the documents authenticity rather than everyone proving their false she said,"I don't think that should be the Standard for journalism." Anotherwords, there are NO Standards! Amazing!

Pray for W and Our Troops


80 posted on 11/09/2005 7:43:56 PM PST by bray (Iraq, freed from Saddamn now Pray for Freedom from Mohammad)
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