[Ichneumon]

First of all you need to get your terminology correct. Someone could be a proponent of ID and not be a creationist.

Nonsense. IDers believe that life was created by some creator which designed it. They're creationists.

However, this childish game of trying to say that ID is reworked creationism is false.

Yeah, pull the other leg now:

I see ID as merely a compromise solution and hardly a great assault on science.

Being a "great assault on science" is pretty much *all* that it is, actually. Ask an IDer for evidence *for* ID, and all you'll get will be arguments *against* science.

Whatever, that being said. It would appear that the media attention this trial has brought on Dover has been an embarrassment for many that normally would have passively accepted ID being introduced without caring.

...as well it should.

The election is a backlash to the "bad press" caused by the trial IMO.

...and the "bad press" is a result of honestly covering the dishonesty of the IDers.

However, regardless of the reason(s), the people of Dover have spoken by the election process. For the time being, that must be respected until the next election.

...and therein lies the problem, which jwalsh07 failed to see earlier in the thread. Forcing religion into the public schools is a violation of the First Amendment (yes, even by original intent -- try reading some Madison and Jefferson on this topic). This is *not* something that can just be done or not done at the whim of the voters.

[jwalsh07]

Forcing religion into the public schools is a violation of the First Amendment (yes, even by original intent -- try reading some Madison and Jefferson on this topic).

Religion is not banned in public schools. Whatever gave you the idea that it was?

And the motivations of scientists are not dispositive of anything. BBT was the work of a Catholic Monk. Under your expansive view of the "establishment clause" Lemaitre's work would have been banned in public schools because his peers initially disagreed with the view that there was a beginning.

So tell me, when would a Catholic Monks scientific work, quite possibly influenced by his world view, be acceptable for a science class. Perhaps when a federal judge gave the go ahead?