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To: Dimensio; Nextrush
I'm sure the DI will shake their heads in sorrow at the Dover school board members, who ignored the DI's wise advice to only teach their controversy (their talking-points list of "problems with evolution") instead of a positive statement for ID.

Nextrush IIRC was trying to intimate here lately that Dover CARES was being bankrolled by the teachers' union.

I suppose they could also come up with a spin that the voters didn't want to pay the ACLU's lawyers' fees. Although I don't know if voting the old board out would change anything about that.

I dunno. Hey, creationists: Why do you think the Dover school board got thrown out en masse?

10 posted on 11/09/2005 12:20:08 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: Dimensio
I dunno. Hey, creationists: Why do you think the Dover school board got thrown out en masse?

Now that I think about it further, I think the continuing coverage of the trial by the York Daily Record & the York Dispatch probably done 'em in. Every day for the last few weeks, readers were treated to sometimes jaw-dropping mendacity by the board members. It couldn't help but embarrass them.

14 posted on 11/09/2005 1:09:50 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: jennyp

Well, first, people really don't like their education dollars being spent in court battles. We see school boards settle lawsuits all the time to avoid it, even when they have facts on their side.

Second, school board races are not places where you normally spend a lot of money. I assume these positions are either unpaid or monthly stipend jobs. A coordinated, well-financed campaign can crush a guy who decided it would be fun to do something for his community.

Third, I think we have a mixed message. People want schools to focus on the basics, and that is a conservative battle. But here we were trying to force additional stuff into the curriculum.

Fourth, and maybe more important, people LIKE their teachers. We might not like teacher's unions, but we have to like the teachers, because we want to trust them with our children. That desire to want to trust creates a relationship which we foster so that we can feel comfortable sending our kids school. The teachers were strongly opposed to ID, and for a voter to say the teachers were dead wrong would be for the voter to introduce doubt into that relationship they hold in their mind.

It could also be that people don't buy ID as science, and don't want it taught in science class. That would be true whether ID was science or not -- people's belief about science is not well-correlated with what science actually is.


48 posted on 11/09/2005 5:59:36 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: jennyp

"I dunno. Hey, creationists: Why do you think the Dover school board got thrown out en masse?"

First of all you need to get your terminology correct. Someone could be a proponent of ID and not be a creationist. At best, logically speaking, all creationists are de facto IDers that know who the intelligent designer is. However, this childish game of trying to say that ID is reworked creationism is false. I am a young earth 6 day creationist - no matter how foolish that may sound. I see ID as merely a compromise solution and hardly a great assault on science.

Whatever, that being said. It would appear that the media attention this trial has brought on Dover has been an embarrassment for many that normally would have passively accepted ID being introduced without caring. The election is a backlash to the "bad press" caused by the trial IMO. However, regardless of the reason(s), the people of Dover have spoken by the election process. For the time being, that must be respected until the next election. If they don't want ID introduced, that is their choice, and I won't complain about it as a "creationist". I do NOT speak for true ID proponents.


79 posted on 11/09/2005 7:00:35 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: jennyp
And what does it say that a solidly conservative red state threw them out en masse? My former tagline is vindicated: creationism is not conservative.
96 posted on 11/09/2005 7:40:54 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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