[Sola Veritas]

"I dunno. Hey, creationists: Why do you think the Dover school board got thrown out en masse?"

First of all you need to get your terminology correct. Someone could be a proponent of ID and not be a creationist. At best, logically speaking, all creationists are de facto IDers that know who the intelligent designer is. However, this childish game of trying to say that ID is reworked creationism is false. I am a young earth 6 day creationist - no matter how foolish that may sound. I see ID as merely a compromise solution and hardly a great assault on science.

Whatever, that being said. It would appear that the media attention this trial has brought on Dover has been an embarrassment for many that normally would have passively accepted ID being introduced without caring. The election is a backlash to the "bad press" caused by the trial IMO. However, regardless of the reason(s), the people of Dover have spoken by the election process. For the time being, that must be respected until the next election. If they don't want ID introduced, that is their choice, and I won't complain about it as a "creationist". I do NOT speak for true ID proponents.

[shuckmaster]

The election is a backlash to the "bad press" caused by the trial IMO.

It wasn't the free press that caused the dishonest creationists to get up on the stand and perjure themselves over and over.

[Ichneumon]

First of all you need to get your terminology correct. Someone could be a proponent of ID and not be a creationist.

Nonsense. IDers believe that life was created by some creator which designed it. They're creationists.

However, this childish game of trying to say that ID is reworked creationism is false.

Yeah, pull the other leg now:

I see ID as merely a compromise solution and hardly a great assault on science.

Being a "great assault on science" is pretty much *all* that it is, actually. Ask an IDer for evidence *for* ID, and all you'll get will be arguments *against* science.

Whatever, that being said. It would appear that the media attention this trial has brought on Dover has been an embarrassment for many that normally would have passively accepted ID being introduced without caring.

...as well it should.

The election is a backlash to the "bad press" caused by the trial IMO.

...and the "bad press" is a result of honestly covering the dishonesty of the IDers.

However, regardless of the reason(s), the people of Dover have spoken by the election process. For the time being, that must be respected until the next election.

...and therein lies the problem, which jwalsh07 failed to see earlier in the thread. Forcing religion into the public schools is a violation of the First Amendment (yes, even by original intent -- try reading some Madison and Jefferson on this topic). This is *not* something that can just be done or not done at the whim of the voters.