Posted on 11/08/2005 11:05:11 PM PST by jennyp
It must suck to be on the side of perjurers who lose in court and at the ballot box, all in the span of a couple of weeks.
Worth repeating. Teach it is social studies if at all, not science.
It think it was "Pandas" promoted as a science resource that moved Dover into unacceptable territory.
I object to the notion that perjury is a conservative value.
Really, it's of very little consequence that one tortoise evolved from another after two populations had become isolated from one another.
First of all, the attack isn't just on the concept of natural selection. The attack is on empiricism and on the methodological heart and soul of science.
If you read the posts of evolution opponents you will quickly find out that they reject all of science, including physics.
Especially physics.
Sorry for the word scramble in my post. Jesus says, "Whoever offends the faith of a little child, it would be better for him that a millstone be hanged around his neck and he be thrown into the sea." (Matt. 18:6) That is a strong warning to those who would seek to undermine the faith of little children in the teachings of the Scriptures.
Well, first, people really don't like their education dollars being spent in court battles. We see school boards settle lawsuits all the time to avoid it, even when they have facts on their side.
Second, school board races are not places where you normally spend a lot of money. I assume these positions are either unpaid or monthly stipend jobs. A coordinated, well-financed campaign can crush a guy who decided it would be fun to do something for his community.
Third, I think we have a mixed message. People want schools to focus on the basics, and that is a conservative battle. But here we were trying to force additional stuff into the curriculum.
Fourth, and maybe more important, people LIKE their teachers. We might not like teacher's unions, but we have to like the teachers, because we want to trust them with our children. That desire to want to trust creates a relationship which we foster so that we can feel comfortable sending our kids school. The teachers were strongly opposed to ID, and for a voter to say the teachers were dead wrong would be for the voter to introduce doubt into that relationship they hold in their mind.
It could also be that people don't buy ID as science, and don't want it taught in science class. That would be true whether ID was science or not -- people's belief about science is not well-correlated with what science actually is.
Thank God!!!!!!!!!
From the Dover CARES site:
http://www.dovercares.org/
Critical Thinking and Academic Freedom
We support the teaching of intelligent design and other diverse religious concepts related to the origins of life in order to enhance student understanding and critical thinking. Science class is not the proper curriculum for these concepts. This can only be done in a proper forum, such as an elective comparative religion course, so our students have the freedom to explore these concepts.
You are quite right. The point I was trying to make was that if Christians object to evolution because of 'holes' or 'flaws' then why aren't they objecting to other theories. I picked on Netwon because his work has been technically disproven by relativity, even though his work is still very useful for our every day world. I was simply illustrating the intellectual dishonesty employed by some creationists.
Already waiting in the wings. It's Intelligent Evolution.
Yes, you are misunderstanding. Intentionally?
"Religion is a belief, science is a fact"
Science is based on some facts, but also theories that have not always proven to be factual. Example, the theory of evolution, and it's multitude of missing links.
Thanks for the ping!
I fear the next wave of attacks will be against the peer review system itself, not public education; this is the stance the Discovery Institute has in fact been advocating all along.
Election returns FIRST on FR! Thanks, jennyp.
From the article:
About the loss, [James] Cashman said, “We put our effort into this and we tried to manage the school district as conservatively as we could. I have nothing to be ashamed about.”
Apparently lying to kids and trying to force someone's religion down their throats isn't shame-worthy to this loser... Pathetic.
Well for me the whole thing was unacceptable.
I don't have a link to the four paragraphs, but, IIRC, they were clearly singling out evolution as not being solid science but just-a-theory blah blah.
An object lesson in what happens when Republicans abandon limited government conservatism and try to impose a sectarian agenda. Let's hope we can learn enough to 2005 to get this out of our system by 2006.
I guess whan the other shoe drops, and Judge Jones hands the School Board and Thomas More their asses (I mean donkeys, of course), the verdict isn't going to be appealed.
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