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Thinly veiled gloating in U.S. over French riots
Deutsche Presse-Agentur ^ | Nov 8, 2005 | Laszlo Trankovits

Posted on 11/08/2005 7:53:22 PM PST by nickcarraway

Washington - France's explosion of rioting has captivated Americans, who tend to view the French as smug, snooty and quick to point fingers at what\'s wrong with the United States.

Now it's payback time, and influential media outlets and analysts can barely conceal their gloating.

Conservative newspapers like the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times are proclaiming a blow to European self- righteousness and the continent's welfare-state economies, which they say are partly to blame for immigrants' misery.

'Just two months ago, the French watched in horrified fascination at the anarchy of New Orleans, where members of America's underclass were seen looting stores and defying the police in the wake of Hurricane Katrina,' the New York Times reported from Paris.

'Every night for more than a week, the suburbs of Paris have been a showcase of Europe's failure to integrate its immigrants,' said the Wall Street Journal.

U.S. politicians have publicly remained mum on the riots that have spread from Paris to all across France, though the State Department has warned U.S. citizens to stay away from the worst flashpoints.

But U.S. television networks are showing nightly images of burning cars and riot police - which Fox News TV reporter Greg Palkot said 'looked like nothing short of Baghdad'.

There's a sense of vindication among conservative writers who like columnist Mark Steyn have darkly predicted 'burning buildings, street riots and assassinations' in Europe's major cities, with their African and Arab minorities.

For the U.S. right wing, it's no coincidence that the violence is erupting in the European nation with the largest Moslem minority. They have long claimed that Europe has underrated the explosiveness of an immigrant population they view as nearly impossible to integrate into society.

Others even charge that Europe has become a breeding ground for international terrorism, alluding to the Hamburg-al-Qaeda cell that helped carry out the September 11 attacks on the United States.

Many U.S. politicians across the spectrum share political scientist Samuel Huntington\'s theory of a \'clash of civilizations\' - or the view of British essayist Theodore Dalrymple that \'the sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced ... by the nightmare of permanent conflict\'.

Another reason cited in the U.S. for France\'s unrest is the economic system.

\'In a country where short workweeks and early retirement are sacred, there is little emphasis on creating new jobs and even less on grass-roots entrepreneurial activity,\' economist Joel Kotkin wrote in the Wall Street Journal.

He says the overregulated welfare state itself is an obstacle to integrating immigrants into France\'s society and economy.

Clearly, part of the problem is economic, said Stanford University political scientist Niall Ferguson. \'But the second problem is that Europeans do not try hard enough to make immigrants integrate culturally,\' he wrote in the Los Angeles Times.

Many commentators say that, at the very least, the French riots show that social problems and a bungled or aloof government response are not limited to the United States.

\'Yet until now, many in France assumed that what they regard as a superior \'social model\' protected them from the eruptions of lawlessness that in recent years have touched Los Angeles, Miami and New Orleans,\' said the Washington Post.

Some are also reminded of the argument that France\'s Moslem minority was a reason why Paris opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq, a stand that infuriated the Bush administration and U.S. conservatives and led to a French-bashing orgy a few years ago.

'you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside Americans?' Steyn said in the Washington Times.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: france; frenchbashingorgy; frenchriots; gloatfreezone; igloatthereforeiam; insurgency; intifada; jihad; media; muslim; paris; parisriots; quagmire; riot; schadenfreude; surrender; terrorism; uprising
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To: nickcarraway

Yeah ... American conservatives, right wingers, you pick a name ... are a nasty vindictive lot. The liberals are much more understanding ...


22 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:02 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: nickcarraway

The French (and German) gloating over Katrina wasn't thinly veiled at all.


23 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:25 PM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: nickcarraway

Well, all of that is true, so it isn't really "gloating" nor "making fun" of the French and the riots. Facts are facts and that's it.


24 posted on 11/08/2005 8:04:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Shanda

It was indeed suicide, akin to hugging a bear and then being mauled by it.


25 posted on 11/08/2005 8:05:06 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: nickcarraway

Veiled? Is he calling us closet moslems or something.


26 posted on 11/08/2005 8:05:11 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Diplomacy doesn't work when seagulls rain on your parade. A shotgun and umbrella does.)
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To: nickcarraway

27 posted on 11/08/2005 8:05:15 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Tommy-the-pissed-off-Brit

Payback is satisfying, but I'd trade that in a second for the knowledge that our politicians are seeing the lessons to be learned in this. They are not.


28 posted on 11/08/2005 8:05:51 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: nickcarraway
the suburbs of Paris have been a showcase of Europe's failure to integrate its immigrants,

It's not the job of Europe to integrate anybody.

If you go to Europe, YOU INTEGRATE INTO EUROPE.

29 posted on 11/08/2005 8:06:14 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: nickcarraway
Veiled? Veiled? Where is there any veil? This is gloating, darn it. Out in the open, in broad daylight, in your face, full throated, belly-laugh until it hurts, gloating! Are we clear?
30 posted on 11/08/2005 8:06:42 PM PST by JasonC
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To: finnman69

31 posted on 11/08/2005 8:07:30 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: nickcarraway

'Tis a pleasure to read about chickens coming home to roost.


32 posted on 11/08/2005 8:08:10 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Shanda

I agree with your second sentence but..........."a once great European Country"???

France?

Better them burn to the ground than us.

LOL!

(btw, I won't even fly over that pig country let alone visit)


33 posted on 11/08/2005 8:08:54 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: Texas Songwriter
An old Polish proverb: "Tough sh*tski".

Even more a propos (if you pardon my French), an old Arab proverb "Tough shiite!"

34 posted on 11/08/2005 8:09:24 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("in the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: nickcarraway

"Thinly Veiled"? Huh? I'm laughing my butt off!


35 posted on 11/08/2005 8:09:50 PM PST by snoringbear
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To: nickcarraway

36 posted on 11/08/2005 8:10:02 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Undocumented border patrol agent.)
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To: nickcarraway

Our gloating is thinly veiled? We'll have to do better.


37 posted on 11/08/2005 8:10:05 PM PST by Soul Seeker
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

I want to see one of those kids holding a sign, "Will Riot for Food" ...


38 posted on 11/08/2005 8:12:12 PM PST by 11th_VA (Geezee Freepin Peezee ...)
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To: Lizavetta
You are correct, but France wouldn't allow them to assimilate. The French refused to think of them as "PURE" French; even though they were born there. Of course, this scum doesn't want to integrate nor assimilate and therein are the double horns of the dilemma.
40 posted on 11/08/2005 8:13:51 PM PST by nopardons
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