Bill Could Ban Smoking In Car With Kids

ClickonDetroit ^ | November 8, 2005 | AP

[ShadowDancer]

Bill Could Ban Smoking In Car With Kids

Studies Show Secondhand Smoke Impairs Respiratory Health

POSTED: 11:14 am EST November 8, 2005

LANSING, Mich. -- Smoky car rides to school may soon be illegal.

Using a lit tobacco product in a vehicle with a person under 18 would be a civil infraction under a bill to be formally introduced Tuesday by Rep. John Moolenaar, spokesman John Whetstone said.

"We've all seen it on our streets and highways, children in the back seat, smokers in the front, and your heart just goes out to those kids," said Moolenaar, R-Midland.

The bill would allow police officers to pull over drivers who are smoking with children in the car, Whetstone said. A fine for the infraction would be set by the courts.

Several studies indicate that secondhand smoke causes lung cancer in adult nonsmokers and impairs the respiratory health of children.

An estimated 150,000 to 300,000 children under 18 months of age get pneumonia or bronchitis every year from breathing secondhand tobacco smoke, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

[nopardons]

I think that a LOT of cancer is hereditary/the propensity to get cancer is genetic; no matter what kind one gets.

There is one type of cancer that if a man lives long enough, he WILL get and that is prostate cancer. The stats for prostate cancer is that at 50, 5 out of 10 men will get it, at 60, 6 out of 10 men, at 70, 7 out of 10 men, and so on and so on.

Just as in Sub Saharan Africa, every death that they can manage to hang HIV/AIDS on, they do, whether or not it is even relevant, the smokingnazies now pin second hand smoke on deaths, here, on second hand smoke. You've just swallowed the propaganda.

Is smoking a part of why some people get lung cancer? Sometimes...NOT always!

Does smoking "cause" a person to get any and all kinds of cancer? HELL NO!

[nopardons]

Oh, I think that they realize...they LOVE being pummeled and bloodied.

[Gabz]

Exposure to second hand smoke may trigger an asthma attack in some people, the exposure itself does NOT cause asthma.

[nopardons]

It was posted as a single thread. It has also been posted TO various threads.

There are lots of these kinds of rules, that old timers have the responsibility to alert others too. That's all I did.

[ShadowDancer]

Well, I've been here since 2000 and I didn't know it. Just a hint, CAPS make it sound nasty.

[nopardons]

It used to come up on Libertarian themed threads. Then, during the '00 primary season, it came up on regular threads. Frankly, it's really not my problem, that you don't know about it. You and others can still get into trouble by breaking the rule, so rather than getting huffy with me, you should thank me.

You don't care for my posting style? TOUGH!

[nopardons]

Your sign up date in DECEMBER of 2002! Had a different nic once, or did you lurk for two years?

[SmoothTalker]

"Moolenaar, R-Midland."

WTF? A republican was behind this? Sounds like the worst of Russia.

[EVO X]

Phillip Morris has an agenda.......and they are protituting themselves to achieve it.

Their agenda is to stay in business

[Gabz]

No, my FRiend I do not know how something "becomes" a trigger for an asthma or allergy attack/response. All I know is that there are some things that trigger such responses in some people and not in others.

I was around 10 when we determined I was allergic to fabric softener, when I started breaking out in unexplainable rashes. Once we figured it out, no more fabric softener, no more problem....until one time when I was pushing 30 and the laundry forgot my no fabric softener policy. 3 months of no charge for laundry I guess made up for the 3 weeks of agony I went thru.

I have learned to avoid the things that trigger adverse reactions whenever possible. It can be a pain at time, such as when we want shrimp, I am unable to handle or even be in the same room with raw shrimp. Cooked or frozen, no problem, fresh it's another story. It starts with my eyes swelling. Unless we're having in the shell steamed shrimp, or I'm using already pealed frozen shrimp, my husband does the preparation and the cooking, and I stay in another room.

I don't seek laws to protect me from what triggers my allergic responses, I have a hard time understanding why others would. I am an adult and so make my decision to just avoid them.

[Gabz]

Of course they do...........that is how most of them make their living.

It's not prevalent here on FR, but on other forums and message boards I have participated in over the years the paid professionals are in fact very obvious.

[EVO X]

she asked me not to smoke IN MY OWN HOUSE when they were here.

Don't be so stubborn. Go buy some nicotine gum if you don't want to smoke outside when the grandkids are there.

[Gabz]

Their agenda is to stay in business

Partly.

The rest of their agenda consists of a government sanctioned majority of the market, but preferably a total monopoly.

They already have the achieved the first part, they are working on the second part.

What they are choosig to ignore (at their peril) is that there are more people like me out there than they wish to realize who have nothing to lose and are willing to tell it like it is.

As lying and deceitful as the anti-smokers are, I would believe something they said long before I believed anything out of PM.

[Ditter]

You were not allergic to the fabric softener the first time it was used. You 'became' allergic to it and the allergic response increased every time you were exposed until it became intolerable. That is the way allergic reactions happen. I used to be able to pull poison ivy off the trees with my hands, then one small bump then two, then an itchy spot and now I can't let it brush against me. We become allergic to the things we are exposed to, not to the things we are never exposed to. Why one thing and not another? Why fabric softener and not tobacco smoke? Don't know the answer to that one my freeper friend. ;9)

[Gabz]

With the fabric softener I have to disagree, my mother had decided to try something new.....she had never used any fabric softener before. So it was a first time use reaction.

However, regarding my reaction to the shrimp, you may very well be correct, except for the fact the first time I had a problem I was dealing with frozen shrimp and I was about 17. I have no problem now with frozen shrimp, just fresh and only when they are being peeled - I know it's weird, but that's the way it is for me.

Other than the fabric softener and shrimp (must be something in the shells) I never had any allergies until I moved OUT of NYC. Living in the city and spending summers in Florida apparently did not do anything to the immune system when it comes to living in the country :)

Our poor child, she has her daddy's immune system that quickly fights off any kind of bug she gets, but she did inherit his seasonal allergies :(

[Lovergirl]

BS. I won't smoke in their house because it is their house. I respect that. I WILL smoke in my own home. I will not smoke in the same room that my grandkids are in, but I damn well will smoke in a another room in MY house. I am sure you will let someone dictate to you what you can and can not do in YOUR OWN HOME, right?

[Dan from Michigan]

RINO? In Midland?

[nopardons]

Sometimes, if a person eats an enormous amount and mostly one thing, you can become adversely ( read allergic ), to that food. Most of the time, there is nothing which will trigger an allergic reaction; it just is what it is.

It is very unusual for someone to have allergies, of any kind, if they come from a family that contains people who aren't allergic to anything. So yes, though it is not necessarily allergy specific, the genetic tendency is usually there.

Then there is the dramatic climate/geographical change. This is, for the most part, pollen related. People who either move to a different continent/ completely different part of the same country, usually WILL wind up having allergies to pollen/plants/trees; even if and when they move back to their original place of birth.

[ShadowDancer]

Riley1992. And no, I never cared for your posting style. You were and are a nasty old woman. We all have our moments. Yours seem to last a lifetime. But for all of us that have lives outside of here and don't read every thread, thank you for the heads up.

[Ditter]

You may have been exposed to a chemical in the fabric softener before in another product. That is the way it works. Sometimes your body will 'forget' an earlier allergy as with me and corn but now it (corn allergy) has come back stronger than before. Try staying away from corn, staying away from MSG and tobacco smoke is MUCH easier. (Look for a freep mail in a minute)