Amir Taheri: FRANCE'S TICKING TIME BOMB [rebirth of "millet" system of the Ottoman Empire]

benadorassociates.com / Arab News ^ | November 5, 2005 | Amir Taheri

[Tolik]

Very Interesting!

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[GOPJ]

Thanks for the ping.

[vimto]

I don't get it.

.....the French are taking knocks for not integrating...people who don't want to be integrated! Have I missed something?

[ThomasMore]

Religion of Peace bump!

With cries of "God is Great", bands of youths armed with whatever they could get hold of went on a rampage and forced the police to flee.

Islam is the problem!

[Darnright]

So, the French are looking at a series of secessions within their country. Are we witnessing the first days of civil war, or will the rioting, pardon the pun, burn itself out?

[vimto]

Your tag line caught my eye. Not just France but this whole Islamic thing has a Biblical dimension. They cannot win the war, but they may yet take many down with them before this is properly played out.

Why so the nations rage so furiously together against the LORD and His appointed. Ps 2
It isn't meant as a question but to point out the sheer futility of it?

[Sabatier]

"...the right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in accordance with its religious beliefs..."

Which in Islam is the same as its law.

The Muslims want total autonomy.

They're not interested in living under French law,
or Belgian law, or German law, or Israeli law, etc.
Only the law of Islam.

[FlipWilson]

The dam busted. Suddenly there is NO France. Very shortly, Le Pen will actually win an election in France and I predict a civil war that Europe has not seen since the French Revolution. In the end, I forsee mass deportations and some other bad stuff.

The French invited the muslims into their country to fill a labor shortage after WWII. But when their economy hit the skids, it was the native French who got the jobs and they had nothing for the Arabs/Africans. Even worse, they never shut down the flow into the country of Arab/African immigrants.

[CaptainK]

In some parts of France de facto "millet" system is already in place. In these areas all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist "hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by the sheikhs.

Yesterday, on the various news outlets, I saw a lot of mewing by British pundits about the cause of the unrest. Of course they saw it as failure of the French to not assimilate its foreign populace, discrimination and lack of jobs.

No one seemed to notice that when the agitators were interviewed, there were no women anywhere to be seen. Not on the street, not looking out of windows. The mirror image of every scene you see from the Middle East, where men gather in the thousands while women appear to have vanished from the earth. To the European elites subjugation of women by the Muslims is fine and dandy, just as long as they keep it in the community.

[SlowBoat407]

The problem came when one of the inhabitants, a female busybody, telephoned the police and reported the thieving spree taking place just opposite her building.

Please tell me this was sarcasm.

[ThomasMore]

The futility of hatred!

[eureka!]

Marking for later read....

[Gritty]

France has supported the Palestinian Cause for a good reason - it is looking more like Palestine every day!

[LibFreeUSA]

IF THIS IS TRUE, THEN ALL YOU HAVE TO SEE is the THIS IS PROBLEM...

-"nothing dramatic would have happened as the police have not been present in that suburb for years.

-"The problem came when one of the inhabitants, a female busybody, telephoned the police and reported the thieving spree taking place just opposite her building. The police were thus obliged to do something that meant entering a city that, as noted, had been a no-go area for them. Once the police arrived on the scene the youth, who had been reigning over Clichy pretty unmolested for years, got really angry.

ESSENTIALLLY, THE FRENCH GAVE UP THEIR SOVEREIGNITY "...YEARS AGO"!

[ladyjane]

The French invited the muslims into their country to fill a labor shortage after WWII.

There's a parallel here. Fortunately most of our illegals are Christian.

[Alia]

Just read Joel Kotkin's at WSJo ("Why Immigrants Don't Riot Here"). Mr. Kotkin attributes France's overregulatory programs and centralized government as creating pockets of misery. Strikes me as positing a pro for "enterprise zones". His arguments concerning immigration in the US and in lesser dense, lesser overregulated locations is quite good. Fascinating compare/contrast, very thoughtful, in parsing the two articles.

[NonValueAdded]

No, really. If only she kept her mouth shut, let the yutes strip her car and file her insurance claim, none of this would have happened. Instead, she cried out "the emperor has no clothes" and the rest is history.

Surely that is what the writer was telling us.

[kimosabe31]

President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community.

Is it conceivable we may soon see the heads of chirac and villepin mounted on pikes. These two fools are incapable of leadership. If the muslims don't do it, the french may do it themselves.

[frithguild]

France has also lost another powerful mechanism for assimilation: The obligatory military service that was abolished in the 1990s.

These young have not been taught the value of surrender - the third level in the French methodology (First is "Run!", second is "Hide" and fourth is "Collaborate")

President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim community. That illusion has now been shattered...

I am shocked by this! SHOCKED I tell you!!