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I think that the whole issue of lying is very important...I have seen those who support Creationism or ID, and denigrate evolution, lie and spread what they have to know are lies....the biggest example is when the IDers constantly state, as a fact, that evolution states that men descended from monkeys...in spite of the fact that they have been told time and time again, that evolution says no such thing and have been given numerous links to show them how wrong they are, they continue to spread the same lie over and over again...

I wonder, do they really think that no one actually notices this?...lying is wrong, except I guess for those who want to lie, and then want to claim they are lying for God or some such nonsense...do they really think that their God is so impotent, that he actually needs some puny, little, mere mortal lying to protect God?...That is really an insult to God...and worse...

As the Bible says....Proverbs 6:16-19 says, "These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."

When folks start lying, and then somehow have to justify it, by including themselves in the lying for God crowd, I know, that they are less concerned about God, ,and more concerned about pushing their own personal Biblical beliefs and interpretations onto others...

....the biggest example is when the IDers constantly state, as a fact, that evolution states that men descended from monkeys...in spite of the fact that they have been told time and time again, that evolution says no such thing and have been given numerous links to show them how wrong they are, they continue to spread the same lie over and over again...

I am not sure why you evos make such a big deal over this. Whether evolution states that we have a common ancestor with chimps or apes or whether we descended from them is a trivial difference to make such a big deal over.

It is quite obvious that you are using that trivial difference as part of your Clinton like scorched earth policy to discredit someone as a liar who is saying something not that different from what your are saying and focusing on a trivial difference rather than dealing with the common descent assumption directly.

It may be a great political technique but has nothing to do with anything but politics and personal attacks.