[gobucks]

Here is a link to the agenda for tomorrow's meeting, and directions to the room for the open citizens forum if any Kansas Freepers want to say anything about the revised Science standards.

Agenda for Nov 8, 2005 meeting of Kansas State Board of Education (see item 13 b.).

[gobucks]

ping ... looks like we should see stories of ACLU invasions into Kansas in about 48 hours....

[ICE-FLYER]

ACLU be damned. I would like them to go to court over this. Thsi time I willd emand they PROVE evolution and that based on PROVING it not just being theory it can stand alone to be taught. If they can not...then other theories should be allowed for that have some basis or merit.

[The Red Zone]

Volland says she uses evolution in her biology class almost everyday

And I can very well believe she does talk about it that much. I can't count the times I've come across some discourse on some biological subject that can stand perfectly well independent of evolution and come across one or more gratuitous statements to the effect "...which evolved the XXX feature whose function is under discussion..." right in the middle of it. It's almost like the Darwinian equivalent of "Hail Mary full of grace."

[colderwater]

Yes indeed, supernatural criticism of science to be taught in schools. Now let's decide which supernatural agent is the "intelligent designer." Perhaps we can have ourselves a nice jihad to decide the issue.

C.W.

[js1138]

If you are going to support ID, you should at least know what it teaches.

Michael Denton, author of "Evolution, a Theory in Crisis, has written a new book, "Nature's Destiny," on intelligent Design. In it he says this:

"it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes.

This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law.

Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies."

Behe, the chief defence witness at Dover, has this to say about evolution:

I didn't intend to "dismiss" the fossil record--how could I "dismiss" it? In fact I mention it mostly to say that it can't tell us whether or not biochemical systems evolved by a Darwinian mechanism. My book concentrates entirely on Darwin's mechanism, and simply takes for granted common descent.

[Junior]

The CrevoSci Archive Just one of the many services of Darwin Central "The Conspiracy that Cares"

• PatrickHenry's famous List-O-Links
• Webster's On-Line Dictionary:  Creationist

CrevoSci threads for the past week:

1. 2005-11-07 A pope for our times: why Darwin is back on the agenda at the Vatican
2. 2005-11-07 Kennewick Man, Meet Your Distant Cousins
3. 2005-11-07 [Kansas] Board Votes on Evolution (Tomorrow, NOV 8 - Teaching I.D. to be approved!)
4. 2005-11-07 Good genes beat good homes as guide to pupils’ school Success
5. 2005-11-07 Evolution in the bible, says Vatican
6. 2005-11-07 Prehistoric skull found in dump may be missing common ancestor of apes & humans
7. 2005-11-07 An Evolutionist's Evolution [Huge exhibit at Museum of Nat. History, NYC]
8. 2005-11-06 Intelligent Design or Mindless Evolution
9. 2005-11-06 Science as Kansas sees it
10. 2005-11-06 Evolution Is in the Air
11. 2005-11-05 Do space aliens have souls? Inquiring minds can check Jesuit's book
12. 2005-11-05 Adult Stem Cells May Be Just Remnants Of Evolution
13. 2005-11-05 Can biology do better than faith?
14. 2005-11-05 The Case of Behe vs. Darwin
15. 2005-11-04 'Intelligent design' trial set to conclude [at last]
16. 2005-11-04 Is science driven by inspired guesswork?
17. 2005-11-04 Shaped from clay [origin of life]
18. 2005-11-03 Origin of board decision probed [Dover Evolution trial, 03 Nov]
19. 2005-11-03 Vatican Cardinal Says We Should Listen to Science
20. 2005-11-03 Scientists See Light that May Be from First Objects in Universe
21. 2005-11-03 The Specter of Difference
22. 2005-11-03 Bees solve complex colour puzzles (Bees solve puzzles computers can't - maybe they're designed!)
23. 2005-11-03 Science versus scientism
24. 2005-11-02 Board member to resume testimony in 'intelligent design' trial
25. 2005-11-02 Picky female frogs drive evolution of new species in less than 8,000 years
26. 2005-11-02 'Design' Vs. Darwin
27. 2005-11-02 Darwin v God case nears its conclusion on creationism

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CrevoSci Warrior Freepdays for the month of November:
 

2000-11-10 AncientAirs 2000-11-21 AndrewC 1998-11-18 angelo 1999-11-22 Blood of Tyrants 2003-11-26 blowfish 2004-11-08 CarolinaGuitarman 1997-11-28 cd jones 2001-11-30 claptrap 2001-11-16 CobaltBlue 2002-11-21 DannyTN 2004-11-16 DaveLoneRanger 1997-11-30 Ditto 2001-11-16 dmz

2000-11-11 Ernest_at_the_Beach 2000-11-02 Exit 109 2000-11-22 FFIGHTER 2000-11-12 ForGod'sSake 2001-11-07 FourtySeven 2000-11-10 Godel 2004-11-06 GreenOgre 2000-11-04 harbinger of doom 2000-11-28 HiTech RedNeck 1999-11-05 Ichneumon 1998-11-13 jennyp 1998-11-25 Junior_G 2002-11-17 Just mythoughts

2004-11-11 kaotic133 2003-11-18 little jeremiah 1998-11-18 malakhi 2000-11-19 Mike Fieschko 2000-11-06 mrjeff 1999-11-05 muleskinner 2003-11-17 Nathan Zachary 2002-11-12 NCLaw441 1999-11-25 Nebullis 2000-11-13 NYer 2000-11-24 old-ager 2004-11-03 PajamaHadin 2000-11-10 Patriotic Teen

1998-11-01 Pharmboy 2000-11-11 P-Marlowe 2000-11-16 presidio9 2002-11-14 Remedy 2000-11-30 Right Wing Professor 2004-11-18 rightwinggoth 1998-11-15 rob777 1998-11-04 RobRoy 1999-11-16 TerP26 2000-11-04 TigerTale 2004-11-11 untrained skeptic 2000-11-05 will of the people 2003-11-29 woodb01

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In Memoriam
Fallen CrevoSci Warriors:

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ALS angelo Area Freeper Aric2000 Askel5 biblewonk bluepistolero churchillbuff claptrap codebreaker Con X-Poser ConservababeJen DittoJed2 dob

Ed Current f.Christian followerofchrist general_re goodseedhomeschool gopwinsin04 gore3000 IllumiNOTi JediGirl JesseShurun JethroHathaway jlogajan Justice Avenger Kevin Curry

kharaku knowquest Le-Roy malakhi Marathon medved metacognative Modernman n4sir NoKinToMonkeys Ogmios peg the prophet Phaedrus Phoroneus

pickemuphere ret_medic RickyJ SeaLion Selkie Shubi Tomax tpaine Truth666 twittle Unalienable WaveThatFlag xm177e2

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Bring back Modernman and SeaLion!

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Lost CrevoSci Battlefields (Pulled Threads)

• 2004-04-27 Stop Teaching Our Kids this Evolution Claptrap!
• 2003-10-29 The Mystery of the Missing Links (Intelligent Design vs. Evolution)
• 2003-10-27 Physics Nobelist Takes Stand on Evolution
• 2003-10-23 Gene Found for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder
• 2003-10-21 Artificial Proteins Assembled from Scratch
• 2003-09-23 Solar System Formation Questions
• 2003-07-18 Unlikely Group May Revive Darwin Debate [Evolution v. Creationism]
• 2003-07-02 "Unlocking the Mystery of ""Unlocking the Mystery of Life"""
• 2003-06-26 Darwin Faces a New Rival
• 2003-06-06 Amazing Creatures
• 2002-09-13 Oldest Known Penis Is 100 Million Years Old
• 2002-04-10 (Creationists) CRSC Correction
• 2001-08-28 The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [6th Revision]
• 2001-08-26 A Scientific Account of the Origin of Life on Earth [Thread I]
• 2001-01-13 A Christian Understanding of Intelligent Design
• 2000-10-10 Another Lost Generation?
• 2000-08-30 Evil-Ution
• 1999-11-14 Creationism's Success Past 5 Years: (Gallup: 1 in 10 hold secular evolutionist perspective)

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Longest CrevoSci Thread Ever

• 2002-12-11 Evolution Disclaimer Supported (6,871 replies)

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Glossary of Terms

Crevo:  Creation vs. evolution
CrevoSci:  Creation vs. evolution/Science
CrevoSci Warriors:  Those who take part on CrevoSci threads
Freepday:  The day a Freeper joined Free Republic

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