Posted on 11/07/2005 2:42:16 PM PST by B Knotts
The Romans conquered the barbarians—and the barbarians conquered Rome.
So it goes with empires. And comes now the penultimate chapter in the history of the empires of the West.
This is the larger meaning of the ritual murder of Theo Van Gogh in Holland, the subway bombings in London, the train bombings in Madrid, the Paris riots spreading across France. The perpetrators of these crimes in the capitals of Europe are the children of immigrants who were once the colonial subjects of the European empires.
At this writing, the riots are entering their 12th night and have spread to Rouen, Lille, Marseille, Toulouse, Dijon, Bordeaux, Strasbourg, Cannes, Nice. Thousands of cars and buses have been torched and several nursery schools fire-bombed. One fleeing and terrified woman was doused with gasoline and set ablaze.
The rioters are of Arab and African descent, and Muslim. While almost all are French citizens, they are not part of the French people. For never have they been assimilated into French culture or society. And some wish to remain who and what they are. They live in France but are not French.
The rampage began October 27 when two Arab youths, fleeing what they mistakenly thought was a police pursuit, leapt onto power lines and were electrocuted. The two deaths ignited the riots.
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The banlieux are what we refer to as the US "inner cities".
French police have a bad habit of beating up Arabs
Why do think the French police do this?
The radical Islamists among the population who want to radicalize the situation may start shooting police and civilans in order to provoke a violent backlash. That is my greatest fear at the moment.
I am fully with you there in sharing that worry.
"Beur". The Beur Question: The Multi-Spatial Political Identity within France [May, 2000]
snip:
Beurs, second-generation North Africans, who are born of immigrant parents, but have all the rights and privileges of citizenship, thus translating to access to the French State. Thus, at the core of the immigration debate in France lies the nature of Beur political identity.
end snip.
The Islamists are frustrated, because the Beur are just not killers or jihadists. They are pissed off youth, unemployed and angry for the most part, but they don't care much about Islam (or anything), and they don't want to kill anybody. The Islamists need them to definitively REJECT French society and be willing to kill it and French people. But the Beur aren't.
From my first link in this post:
snip:
The problems arose with the second and third generations. Some began to turn toward Islam, the religion of their parents. "They began to mystify their country of origin," said Antoine Sfeir, editor in chief of Les Cahiers d'Orient, a publication that covers the Arab world. "They also began to mystify Islam, their parents' religion, often one of which they knew very little."
"Then you have to factor in unemployment and life in the 'ghetto,'" says Khadija Mohsen-Finan, who specializes in Arab world studies for the French Institute for International Relations in Paris, IFRI.
Often faced with discrimination and lack of education, an increasing number of the young fell into petty crime, pushing drugs, pick-pocketing, etc., and soon found themselves in prison. Although Muslims make up about 10 percent of France's population, they represent close to 60 percent of the country's incarcerated population.
"There, in prison, the imams were waiting for them," said Sfeir. More precisely, it was radical imams who turned to recruit followers in the jails of France. This trend was being repeated across Europe.
It was mostly in jail that many of these petty criminals turned radical. "Radicalism will be expressed in actions," warned Sfeir.
"Why do they identify with Islam?" asks Mohsen-Finan. "Lack of integration," she replies.
end snip.
Lack of skills does not equal "discrimination". It means that one does not have employable skills. Pure and simply. Did the Beurs go to schools? Did their parents not see the need for their children to have an education and/or skills?
All of the above indeed begs the question: Why did they not wish to assimilate into the country they immigrated (legally or illegally) to. What an awful inheritance to leave one's children and grandchildren -- no skills, and in such a location as France.
Yours is a reasonable position, Vicomte13. I suspect you judge Americans a bit more harshly than the reality of Americans are. More Americans than not hold a similar view to what you've just posted about private rights. And this is why we rail, opine, pound the table about the laws. And to keep nosy others out of our private affairs and our private lives. We have our own "legal regals" constantly intruding upon matters which are NONE of their concern, whatsoever.
Thanks for posting this, I know who will love it!
Hey Dane, Pat Buchanan ping! :<)
"There may be a threat to a cohesive American culture, but at least it's not a threat to our very liberty."
You say this of Hispanics. I say, some takeovers are accomplished without firing a shot. If tens of millions of any illegals come into a generous "host" country; use rescources and don't pay taxes (to the extent that they overwhelm, and then collapse, both private ((hospital)) and public ((public assistance bureaus, etc.)) institutions, take a lot of their capital out of the country and never make any real efforts at assimilating because that's not their goal anyway, and live in their own neighborhoods because they don't want to become part of
the larger fabric, then it's their country soon enough, friend, and not yours anymore.
"The cautionary tale of allowing the camel to put its nose in your tent applies here.
By now the camel is fully within the"tent, and there is no rest for either you or the camel. Very shortly, the tent shall be pulled down altogether.
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As does the tale of harboring a viper in your bosum....only a matter of time until it will destroy you. To think otherwise (i.e. to try to "assimilate" them is PC prompted suicide).
I am no fan of Pat Buchanan, but I still think back to the politically correct backlash he got in '92 when he said that immigration laws should show preference, because America could assimilate 10000 Europeans much easier than it could 10000 [name of backwater culture goes here...]. Very obvious, but unspeakable in PC America.
If so,
we'd better clear our own turf FIRST.
Careful, there are a lot of Filipino Muslims with strong socialist ties out there who have targeted immigration to the US for the last 20 years. They purposefully blend in as conservatives and sneak behind the scenes. The Filipino Muslim mind seeks subterfuge.
I opposed Miers but had no respect for Frum's opinion on the issue. As a pro-abort who got in a snit with Miers during the year he worked for Bush as a speechwriter, he didn't have the credibility of a Krauthammer or Bork. As came to light in other blogs, Frum was ticked off that "secretary" Miers had the authority to edit his work.
Give me 10,000 Hong Kong or Taiwanese immigrants any day over 10,000 Eurosocialist welfare state weenies.
Different religions, different tactics, same goals.
And, as I remember, Catholicism is NOT the mexican state religion - it's simply popular there despite - or because of - a completely secular government and a 'church' that plays more of a political role than a clerical one.
Indeed, I do not discriminate on the basis of a person's ethnic makeup... but I certainly do on the basis of a person's worldview. Would I let a pervert babysit my kid? NO! Would I let a flaming liberal teach my kid? NO! Would I lend money to a person who thought that the government owed him a living? NO!
ROTFLMAO.
Leftys have always hated him. Even when they pass themselves off under a false flag.
And I wouldn't buy my kid that new Michael Jackson/R. Kelly music CD either. ;-)
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