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Fuel's paradise? Power source that turns physics on its head
The Guardian ^ | Friday November 4, 2005 | Alok Jha, science correspondent

Posted on 11/07/2005 10:19:55 AM PST by Scythian

It seems too good to be true: a new source of near-limitless power that costs virtually nothing, uses tiny amounts of water as its fuel and produces next to no waste. If that does not sound radical enough, how about this: the principle behind the source turns modern physics on its head.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1627424,00.html

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crackpot; dontholdyourbreath; energy; huckster; hydrino; hydrogen; hydrogenenergy; newhydrogen; perpetualmotion; quantum; scam
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1 posted on 11/07/2005 10:19:55 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Scythian

I want one.


2 posted on 11/07/2005 10:25:35 AM PST by WesternPacific
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To: Scythian
And he claims to be just months away from unveiling his creation.

Months away from unveiling an actual device that can harness this energy, or months away from revealing some esoteric math equatiuon that "proves" this can be done? Show me a heater that will heat my home for $400 a year instead of $2000 a year and that's something. Show me the schematics for such a heater and you can go pound sand.

3 posted on 11/07/2005 10:29:44 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: Scythian
It seems too good to be true:

Reminds of something my father told besides keeping you mouth shut even if they think your an idiot.

4 posted on 11/07/2005 10:30:45 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: dd5339

Hmmm, interesting.

Semper Fi


5 posted on 11/07/2005 10:31:06 AM PST by dd5339 (A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path.)
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To: Scythian

Doubtful.


6 posted on 11/07/2005 10:32:21 AM PST by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Scythian

Almost certainly bunk. By default, hydrogen would seek its lowest energy state, which means that if you could push an electron closer to the proton, it would already be there.

The only possible way this would not be true is if the activation energy were incredibly high.

Of course, if it were possible to get hydrogen to drop to this lower energy state in a sustainable reaction, you're looking at the ultimate doomsday weapon. Just get it started and drop it in the ocean. Good-bye planet Earth.


7 posted on 11/07/2005 10:32:38 AM PST by frgoff
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To: Scythian
Already been done:


9 posted on 11/07/2005 10:34:46 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: AbeKrieger
Show me a heater that will heat my home for $400 a year instead of $2000 a year and that's something. Show me the schematics for such a heater and you can go pound sand.

BINGO! I have seen very detailed schematics for a Star Trek warp engine, but that does not mean that someone can actually build a working one.

10 posted on 11/07/2005 10:35:11 AM PST by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: AbeKrieger

Our heat/cool bill averages $70/month.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 10:37:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: frgoff; Scythian
Almost certainly bunk. By default, hydrogen would seek its lowest energy state, which means that if you could push an electron closer to the proton, it would already be there.

Right.

The only possible way this would not be true is if the activation energy were incredibly high.

Even if it were, *some* small fraction of hydrogen atoms would have already been naturally subjected to the proper conditions (e.g. in the core of stars), and such "modified hydrogen" would have been observed or detected in nature *somewhere* by now.

I call BS on the story. It sounds a lot like those frequent announcements of things like special "pills" that when added to water converts it into something you can run your car on. It always turns out that all the "inventor" needs is a few more million dollars of investment capital to make it commercial...

12 posted on 11/07/2005 10:37:21 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Scythian

yep. power too cheap to meter...

haven't we heard this bunk before?


13 posted on 11/07/2005 10:38:34 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: RebelBanker; AbeKrieger
BINGO! I have seen very detailed schematics for a Star Trek warp engine, but that does not mean that someone can actually build a working one.

Oh yeah? These guys did:


14 posted on 11/07/2005 10:39:01 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Scythian
"Physicists are quite conservative. It's not easy to convince them to change a theory that is accepted for 50 to 60 years. I don't think [Mills's] theory should be supported," said Jan Naudts, a theoretical physicist at the University of Antwerp.

Every generation of scientists always thinks that its current existing body of knowledge encompasses the truth, until someone comes along and makes a discovery that proves that their knowledge was either incomplete or wrong.

I'm not saying that will be the case here; either the guy will be able to prove his case or he won't. But the condescending and arrogant attitude scientists often display can be rather offputting at times.

15 posted on 11/07/2005 10:39:19 AM PST by jpl
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To: Scythian
"...prototype power source that generates up to 1,000 times more heat..."



Hmmm, Earth is ~75% water...

1,000 times more heat...

GLOBAL WARMING!!!!

Someone call Bush...

It's not his fault!
16 posted on 11/07/2005 10:41:13 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Ichneumon
Even if it were, *some* small fraction of hydrogen atoms would have already been naturally subjected to the proper conditions (e.g. in the core of stars), and such "modified hydrogen" would have been observed or detected in nature *somewhere* by now.

Good point. I formally retract my "probably bunk" and replace it with "definitely bunk."

17 posted on 11/07/2005 10:43:53 AM PST by frgoff
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To: RebelBanker

I have a Klingon to English dictionary. Wanna borrow it?


18 posted on 11/07/2005 10:44:08 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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To: frgoff
"Almost certainly bunk."

No, I'm pretty sure I saw the Professor do this with two coconuts and a fan belt that time the killer hurrican was on a direct collision course with the Island.

19 posted on 11/07/2005 10:44:16 AM PST by joebuck
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To: frgoff

In our house, we follow the rules of thermo dynamics!


20 posted on 11/07/2005 10:47:59 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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