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To: kabar

A small part of Turkey is on European soil. Croatia, Bulgaria and Romania are clearly European countries.

It is nothing special that the EU has treaties with countries like Tunesia or Israel. But they never have a chance to become members.

P.S.

Turkey is likely to become a member in the long run, since this country is extremely important to Europe with its 70 million inhabitants. Politically and economically. Because the Turks have high economic growth (8.2 %) and a GDP of roundabout 510 billion US$ it is a interesting export market to the west European nations. Through the widespread Turkish immigrants in west European nations there are extremly close ties between Turkey and Europe.

This is for sure not the case with Israel, no matter what lip-service European politicans do. We shouldn't forget that Israel is a small nation with only 6 million inhabitants. The sole reason that it is still existing are the massive backings of the US. America is by far their biggest export and import partner. Their economy has no chance to develop as long the intifada will continue (just like the French economy :-)). Their only products are millitary BS and some fruit. The EU has more than enough of such stuff on its own. The exclusive reason to take Israel as a member nation of the EU would be political solidarity. Since Israel has de facto no friends in Europe, they better not expect any solidarity. I think that they continue to be completely dependent on the US as long as the Arabs will hate them.

As I said: Sad but true. Don't get me wrong - personally I have great respect of Israel since I am on their side and I have some family there. But because I know west European politics I try to see those things simply rational. In difference to the US, jews have no jewish lobby in Europe anymore (due to Hitlers nameless crimes). Therefore it will be difficult to get Europe on their side.


9 posted on 11/07/2005 9:09:01 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!d)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
A small part of Turkey is on European soil.

Yes, the Greeks are very aware of that. Byzantium or Constantinopolis was not always part of Turkey or the Ottoman Empire. Having lived three years in Athens, the Greeks have long memories. 1453 happened yesterday.

Turkey is likely to become a member in the long run, since this country is extremely important to Europe with its 70 million inhabitants. Politically and economically. Because the Turks have high economic growth (8.2 %) and a GDP of roundabout 510 billion US$ it is a interesting export market to the west European nations. Through the widespread Turkish immigrants in west European nations there are extremly close ties between Turkey and Europe.

It is for the reasons that you cite that Turkey won't become a member of the EU. Turkey is still the "sick man of Europe" economically and politically. The EU is playing a game with Turkey about inclusion into the union. They have allowed the Greeks to be the point man in the opposition to their inclusion, but the rest of the EU doesn't recognize the Turks (read the Ottomans) as being Europeans.

The huge Turkish population of foreign workers in Germany, the largest in Europe, has not been integrated into Germany despite being there for generations. The cultural and religious differences have not been bridged, and given what is going on now with Muslim immigrants in France, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, etc., it will not be for generations to come. Things will get worse before they get better.

It should also be noted that Turkey will have to make a giant leap economically to meet the criteria for joining the EU.

10 posted on 11/07/2005 11:27:38 AM PST by kabar
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Actually, a lot of technology comes out of Israel. Lots of scientific research, as well.


14 posted on 12/12/2005 1:23:21 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Israel makes lots of stuff. Lots of advanced technology. In addition to that they make all sorts of different stuff

Made In Israel.

White Plains For Israel.

That said, I do not think Israel should join the EU.

16 posted on 12/12/2005 2:01:51 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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