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GOP senator criticizes White House torture stance (Chucky Hagel Again)
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Posted on 11/06/2005 12:04:50 PM PST by indianrightwinger

GOP senator criticizes White House torture stance Bill would ban inhumane treatment of detainees

Sunday, November 6, 2005; Posted: 2:17 p.m. EST (19:17 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A leading Republican senator said Sunday that the Bush administration is making "a terrible mistake" in opposing a congressional ban on torture and other inhuman treatment of prisoners in U.S. custody.

Sen. Chuck Hagel, considered a potential presidential candidate in 2008, said many Republican senators support the ban proposed by Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War.

The ban was approved by a 90-9 vote last month in the Senate and added to a defense spending bill. The White House has threatened a veto, but the fate of the proposal depends on House-Senate negotiations that will reconcile different versions of the spending measure. The House's does not include the ban.

Vice President Dick Cheney has lobbied Republican senators to allow an exemption for prisoners held by the CIA if preventing an attack is at stake.

"I think the administration is making a terrible mistake in opposing John McCain's amendment on detainees and torture," Hagel, R-Nebraska, said on "This Week" on ABC. "Why in the world they're doing that, I don't know."

McCain, citing the Senate vote as well as support from the public and from former Secretary of State Colin Powell and others with military service, said he will push the issue with the White House "as far as necessary."

"We need to get this issue behind us," McCain said on "Fox News Sunday." "Our image in the world is suffering very badly, and one of the reasons for it is the perception that we abuse people that we take captive."

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abughraib; aidcomfort; chuckhagel; gitmo; hagel; iraq; mccain; terrorsuspects; torture; waronterror; whitehouse; wot
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To: indianrightwinger
This particular excerpt does not mention that the specific language of the bill outlaws "degrading" treatment.

Even if they are smart enough to take that language out, this will result in the endless litigation of prisoner treatment. Not only will every terrorist send this to the courts, but everyone in Federal custody will sue and say that they were "tortured". This language has enough holes to drive a truck through.

21 posted on 11/06/2005 12:28:25 PM PST by AmishDude (Amishdude, the one and only.)
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To: indianrightwinger

Chuck Hagel lost me when he wanted President Bush to suck up to Iran.


22 posted on 11/06/2005 12:34:05 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: new yorker 77

Did you? If not provide some quotes on torture from those that have been at the front line.


23 posted on 11/06/2005 12:34:42 PM PST by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: indianrightwinger

Who can forget the Hagel/ Daschle immigration 'reform' plan?


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/01/21/national1248EST0564.DTL


24 posted on 11/06/2005 12:35:13 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And then Bush I nominated Souter to the Supreme Court because of Rudman and Sununu. What a plague Rudman was.


25 posted on 11/06/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: indianrightwinger

I'd love to pull a pair of Victoria's Secret undies down over Chucky's ears and listen to him scream.


26 posted on 11/06/2005 12:37:38 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, the national news media was the GOOD GUYS.)
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To: ex-snook
Most soldiers do not speak about their service.

I will leave it at that.

27 posted on 11/06/2005 12:38:16 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: ex-snook

Words to Live By: Serving in the armed services does not give you the right to urinate and defecate on a younger version at a later date.


28 posted on 11/06/2005 12:42:15 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: indianrightwinger

Senator Hagel might become more of a team player if he spent some time on the rack (or, for the MP crowd, on the comfy chair).


29 posted on 11/06/2005 12:47:33 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I'd love to pull a pair of Victoria's Secret undies down over Chucky's ears and listen to him scream.

Forget that. Make 'em Granny Panties.

30 posted on 11/06/2005 12:57:21 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Thud

ping


31 posted on 11/06/2005 12:58:39 PM PST by Dark Wing (ping)
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To: Buck W.

"A leading Republican senator said Sunday that the Bush administration is making "a terrible mistake" "

Why do they call him a LEADING Republican?


32 posted on 11/06/2005 12:59:22 PM PST by james500
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To: Recovering_Democrat

So why does the WH oppose the ban?


33 posted on 11/06/2005 1:01:43 PM PST by Moolah
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To: Moolah
So why does the WH oppose the ban?

Say, Moolah, have you stopped beating your wife?

34 posted on 11/06/2005 1:05:01 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Hmmmmm.....why would that make someone scream? :-)


35 posted on 11/06/2005 1:16:38 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

If it would save one American life I would place the testes of every Muslim under arrest in a vice. Just one life. Are these people in uniform?, have they openly declared a war.? If not they arent soldiers they are terrorists and they have no rights.


36 posted on 11/06/2005 1:19:01 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Moolah

Do these ring a bell?

1) Common sense
2) Interrogating Terrorists is a necessary element of fighting the WOT
3) We can't sign a blank check against techniques not know what future situations we will face

Among others.....


37 posted on 11/06/2005 1:19:19 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

I don't know. Just something we learned from the Abu Ghraib "scandal" that was created by the DemocRATS and their toadies in the MSM.


38 posted on 11/06/2005 1:22:37 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, the national news media was the GOOD GUYS.)
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To: indianrightwinger

So how come the Senate vote was so overwhelming?

BTW, don't assume I'm for not being able to torture.


39 posted on 11/06/2005 1:22:45 PM PST by Moolah
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To: Recovering_Democrat

That doesn't address the question and your response was not appropriate. My question was not a loaded one.


40 posted on 11/06/2005 1:25:36 PM PST by Moolah
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