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Do cruise ships carry arms?

A few crew members armed with shotguns could make matters uncomfortable for a boarding party.

1 posted on 11/06/2005 7:40:00 AM PST by aculeus
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Why would anyone want to cruise near Somolia?


2 posted on 11/06/2005 7:41:53 AM PST by mlc9852
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I thought all merchant ships had a small armory....


3 posted on 11/06/2005 7:43:02 AM PST by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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Armed men on board two 25ft inflatable boats fired live bullets and rocket-propelled grenades as they tried to climb aboard the liner.

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4 posted on 11/06/2005 7:44:06 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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I think it would be kinda fun to be in a mega-behemoth cruise ship attacked by "pirates" in a fleaboat. What a tale to tell the grandkiddies.

Yo, ho, ho and a bottle of rum!

Leni

6 posted on 11/06/2005 7:45:37 AM PST by MinuteGal (This Week is my Seventh Anniversary on this Forum...and I'm Still in Love with Free Republic!)
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A better ending to the story would have been for the pirates to be blown out of the water with some 54-calibre Mark 42 single gun mounts - should be standard equipment for all trans-Atlantic cruise ships.


8 posted on 11/06/2005 7:46:33 AM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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A few machine gun rounds would have ended that incident. Time to have them handy and teach these creeps a lesson.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... wonder if they're religion of peace believers ... .
9 posted on 11/06/2005 7:46:49 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God).)
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I think all they had for defense were water hoses. No kidding.

If the pirates had managed to board, they would have been able to steal a king's fortune in cash and jewelry from the very rich passengers.

The ship was very lucky.


13 posted on 11/06/2005 7:48:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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This really plays up the class envy angle, to a factually dishonest degree. The reality is that the cost for this all inclusive vacation option is about $300-400 per person per day, if you are in a standard room with a balcony. I highly doubt that Trump or Gates has ever been a passenger onboard, unless they chartered the whole ship. And the Conde Nast rating of "the most luxurious in the world" sounds dubious. Yes, Seabourne rates at or near the top of small ship cruise lines in their reader's choice poll, but that's it.


14 posted on 11/06/2005 7:49:51 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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Photo's show aach open boat - only slightly larger than a Boston Whaler - ONLY held 5-6 people.

When everybody is disarmed (Because they were searched and x-rayed prior to getting on the cruise ship!), only the criminals will have arms.

ONly a few weapons, held by 4-5 crew members - could have held off the whole raiding party.

Next pirate ship only need be bigger - as they are off the Indonesian straits.


15 posted on 11/06/2005 7:50:19 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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Most ports of call and most countries that flag cruise liners, tankers and freighters don't allow them to have any defensive fire arms aboard.

These rules are just nuts as the terrorists and pirates are out there and very bold. Maybe the ship owners ban arms as they hire multi national crews can't expect the low wages to ensure loyalty to the ship or captain.


16 posted on 11/06/2005 7:50:20 AM PST by RicocheT
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I'm pretty sure they have a modest arsenal under lock and key. But for inflatable boats, all you'd need is a CO2 airgun.


17 posted on 11/06/2005 7:50:44 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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Dammit!
What's the world coming to when paying 50 times as much for a service doesn't make it safe?

The passengers all contribute to the right muslim causes, too.
Where's the gratitude?

...200-man crew and no security??? Those boats should have been not just repelled, but sunk!

20 posted on 11/06/2005 7:52:24 AM PST by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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were these actually self-interested pirates? Or were they Islamic terrorists operating out of boats?

I'm more inclined to believe the latter.
21 posted on 11/06/2005 7:53:04 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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Armed men on board two 25ft inflatable boats fired live bullets…

Live bullets – why didn’t they use blanks? < /sarcasm>

I have watched several accounts of this on the TV news – and with one exception all the newsreaders seemed shocked that there are still pirates roaming the sea lanes. The one exception went on to include the number of attacks last year and the most dangerous areas.

24 posted on 11/06/2005 7:54:25 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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If crews are to be armed, a shotgun is the last damn thing I would want. Give them something with stopping power and range.


25 posted on 11/06/2005 7:54:29 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (A right wing Christian, not part of the Christian Right)
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"two 25ft inflatable boats"

Are also deflatable with a little grapeshot.

27 posted on 11/06/2005 7:54:44 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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Sounds like an opportunity for a new kind of adventure tourism. Masquerading as a ship full of rich, unarmed tourists, passengers pay for the opportunity to plunk Somali Islamakazi pirates with concealed M-2 0.50 caliber machine guns. To add to the sense of thrill and adventure, the pirates will be armed with AK-47s and RPGs.

Passengers are outfitted with stylish Eddie Bauer flack jackets and steel pots. Photographers will record the hunt on HD DVDs, included in the fare.
28 posted on 11/06/2005 7:54:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NY Times headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS, Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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"The captain tried to run one of the boats over, but they were small boats, about 25ft long.

Good for him! I would have paid top dollar to see that. Good thing the liner wasn't owned by the French...
33 posted on 11/06/2005 7:56:56 AM PST by ChocChipCookie (Democrats: soulless minions of orthodoxy.)
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Most do. What they really need is a response team that is trained to not only escape an attack, but kill the attackers.

I was in the Navy working in Special Ops for 10 years. I have conducted ship attacks like this in training. It is a very dangerous undertaking. Just imagine holding a 30ft fiberglass boat next to a ship for 2 min, while the ship is actively tring to evade you. We only used our oldest boats for this because the amount of damage they substained when the ship got the better of us. However, it is possible to get a SEAL team aboard a ship in less than 90 seconds.

The ship was lucky that it did not happen at night. The outcome may have been very different. Sounds like the cruise line could make a wise investment by hiring some ex-spec op guys to provide security. I know a few that would work cheap if geetin the same VIP treatment was part of the deal.


34 posted on 11/06/2005 7:57:35 AM PST by Angry_White_Man_Syndrome (I'm Okies love Dubya 2's "other half")
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This ship was pretty far off shore from what I understand... how on Earth did these "pirates" find it? Were they just out joyriding and stumbled across it?


35 posted on 11/06/2005 7:57:36 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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