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Pro-Wife Extremism Judge Alito was right on spousal notification.
WSJ ^ | November 5, 2005 | JAMES TARANTO

Posted on 11/05/2005 5:44:07 AM PST by AliVeritas

When President Bush nominated Judge Sam Alito to the Supreme Court, it didn't take long for extremist groups to alight on his partial dissent in Planned Parenthood v. Casey, decided by the Third U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in 1991, as a pretext to oppose him. Planned Parenthood's Karen Pearl called the opinion "outrageous" and said it proved Judge Alito is "far, far out of the mainstream."

Planned Parenthood mostly lost the Casey case, in which a three-judge panel unanimously upheld all but one of Pennsylvania's abortion restrictions. The next year, a 7-2 Supreme Court majority agreed. But by 5-4, the justices affirmed the decision of Judge Alito's two colleagues that struck down a provision designed to encourage a married woman to inform her husband before having an abortion.

This was a modest effort to balance a wife's "reproductive rights" against her husband's. The law did not provide for spousal consent, only notification. The wife's say-so, in the form of a signed statement delivered to the physician performing the abortion, was sufficient to establish that the husband knew. And a woman seeking an abortion had the alternative of affirming that her husband was not the father of her unborn child, that he could not be located, that the pregnancy was the result of marital rape, or that she feared physical abuse if she informed him. In any of these cases, no notification was required.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alito; notification; scotus; spousalnotification
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1 posted on 11/05/2005 5:44:07 AM PST by AliVeritas
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To: AliVeritas
I have a question: is it possible for a non-married sperm donor (I won't use the father word here) to commit "child support abortion"?

In other words, can a sperm donor opt out of child support payments with the same relative ease and legal protection the female "host" can opt to murder her child?

2 posted on 11/05/2005 5:58:22 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: AliVeritas

The problem the pro-murder crowd has with all of the notification laws is that to acknowledge that someone else is interested in the little baby growing in the woman is to acknowledge that the little baby is something more than a "mass of tissue."

They view them as a slippery slope to the truth: that the "mass of tissue" is in fact a human being from the moment sperm meets egg.


3 posted on 11/05/2005 6:08:26 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: craig_eddy
I've seen that issue debated before, using the term "legal abortion" or something like that. The idea is that a man can go to Court and permanently forego any right to the unborn child or children, eliminating the possibility of child support along with any possibility of contact or any parental rights.

While I don't see this procedure ever being legally accepted, I think the argument definitely exposes the flaws in pro-abortion reasoning. If it is a "woman's choice" to have the abortion and the father has nothing to say about it, then logically it follows that it is "her choice" to have the child-- and why should she unilaterally be able to assign liability to him for what is (per the pro-abortion crowd) entirely and completely her decision? The policy issues of unsupported children, of course, likely prevent any such option from ever becoming law. I think, however, that one can make the argument that child support liability has to be undertaken only on an implied contract theory, such as if a couple is married, or if it can be established that they decided jointly to have a child.

It's interesting to see, by the way, how this decision has been misrepresented by the media. Already I've seen one female liberal commentator on Fox News (maybe Susan Estrich?) describe the opinion as requiring the husband's "consent" to the abortion. Perhaps there should be an addition to divorce law that if a wife undergoes an abortion without her husband's knowledge, it constitutes fault grounds for divorce? It seems to me a deception of that magnitude, within marriage, ought to be recognized in divorce law in some fashion.

4 posted on 11/05/2005 6:16:10 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: AliVeritas

This opinion does not even signify that Judge Alito agreed with the law, only that he believed the state of Pennsylvania had the right to enact this law.


5 posted on 11/05/2005 6:21:15 AM PST by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...you da man!!)
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To: craig_eddy

That would miss the point of sex entirely. Both need to realize that their actions automatically make them responsible if a child is conceived.


6 posted on 11/05/2005 6:33:13 AM PST by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: DLfromthedesert

EXACTLY! I'm so glad to see the actual point made here. This has NOTHING to do with the woman's right to choose, not choose, notify or not notify. It has to do with the state of Pennsylvania's right to enact a particular law. Period.

As long as people on either side of issues continue to demand the courts go with their political agendas, the constitution will be muddied.


7 posted on 11/05/2005 6:41:05 AM PST by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: ViLaLuz

I agree completely. I'm making the argument as a devil's advocate. What about the husband's "right to privacy?"


8 posted on 11/05/2005 7:09:08 AM PST by craig_eddy
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To: craig_eddy
They view them as a slippery slope to the truth: that the "mass of tissue" is in fact a human being from the moment sperm meets egg.

That argument, that its just a mass of tissue, completely collapses with one photo of a fetus. That abortion is OK in any way shape or form falls completely flat with one gruesome photo of an aborted fetus.

A picture's worth 1000 words and that is why they don't want them seen ever.

In CA, a decade ago, such a gruesome photo moved me firmly to the "Abortion is Murder" crowd. I was raised to think otherwise. I now have held such photos along the road here where I live. I still remember the look of angst on a young pre-teen looking at it and realizing that its going to be real hard to convince her that this is OK no matter what you say.

It was also great fun to get screamed at, cussed at, etc. by those who were mad at us for shining the light of truth on a horror like this.
9 posted on 11/05/2005 7:26:47 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

I also would like to see right alongside those types of photos, opportunities for support of these women. Not support for the abortion, but support and encouragement for them to go ahead and deliver the baby. I do see some fleeting hints of that on some signs at the pro-life demonstrations. It may make a difference to a woman if they know there is a place to go to help them through the pregnancy.


10 posted on 11/05/2005 8:22:09 AM PST by austinaero
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To: GraceCoolidge
The idea is that a man can go to Court and permanently forego any right to the unborn child or children, eliminating the possibility of child support along with any possibility of contact or any parental rights.

Why can't he sue the mother for copyright violation? She has an unauthorized copy of his DNA.

Seriously, given the stupid DMCA laws, one wonders if patenting their own DNA would be a smart move. Well, if someone hasn't beaten you to it...
11 posted on 11/05/2005 8:27:31 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: austinaero
It may make a difference to a woman if they know there is a place to go to help them through the pregnancy.

austinaero, there are many such centers all over the country. Understand that the MSM refuses to mention them. But they help support a woman in keeping her child or helping to locate adoptive parents. It's wonderful work, a quiet work of charity generally by dedicated Christian women's groups. I think their goal is to have their own staffed center near any abortuary.
12 posted on 11/05/2005 8:30:20 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: austinaero

I can tell you that the movement I was involved in was not in any way condemning of woman who had abortions. The party line was they were also victims of a really bad pr campaign.

The enemy was not those who had had abortions but those who continued to claim it was OK.

I find it ironic that the crowd that favors abortion venhemently opposes adoption as an alternative. That tells you all you need to know. They actually want to kill the babies. To me thats pathological at a minimum and demonic is not far behind.


13 posted on 11/05/2005 9:23:22 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: festus

I agree wholeheartedly. Fetus murder falls under the 'convenience' category for some of these people, both men and women.


14 posted on 11/05/2005 9:26:05 AM PST by austinaero
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Murder of your child is horrible. Murder of your child without your husbands knowledge is even worse


15 posted on 11/05/2005 9:27:32 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: AliVeritas
Last night I was watching Janice Rogers Brown's hearings from 2006. Teddy Kennedy was freaking out over a ruling she made, trying to say she was "out of the mainstream."

She told him she was not alone in ruling that way and Kennedy said, "You were in the minority." She looked him straight in the face and said, "But I was not ALONE."

The Dems are so stupid they actually think THEY are in the mainstream.
16 posted on 11/05/2005 9:27:51 AM PST by msnimje ("People for the American Way have issued a Fatwah against Alito" --- John Cornyn)
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To: SmoothTalker
Murder of your child is horrible. Murder of your child without your husbands knowledge is even worse

Even worse than that, it is the murder of HIS child without his knowledge.
17 posted on 11/05/2005 9:29:05 AM PST by msnimje ("People for the American Way have issued a Fatwah against Alito" --- John Cornyn)
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To: AliVeritas
What the hey is pro-wife?

Bahahaha!!

It looks to me that this guy is digging a hole for himself with the better half of the country.

18 posted on 11/05/2005 10:57:19 AM PST by Earthdweller (Earth to liberals..we were not in Iraq on 9/11..so how did the war cause terrorism again?)
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To: GraceCoolidge
The policy issues of unsupported children, of course, likely prevent any such option from ever becoming law.

Before the enactment of child-support laws, there was a simple solution: a woman who could not afford to raise the child she was carrying would give it up for adoption. That option remains today. One could probably argue that the child-support laws cause more problems than they solve by encouragint the raising of fatherless (except for the paycheck) children by single mothers.

Someone else posted on FR that the notion of child support in the case of unmarried parents as a court, rather than legislative invention. I don't have any details on that, but according to the poster the law in all 50 states was that child support was not owed if the parents had never been married. If true, it seems that court decision should be hailed as being among the worst of all time.

19 posted on 11/05/2005 3:53:01 PM PST by supercat (Don't fix blame--FIX THE PROBLEM.)
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To: festus
I find it ironic that the crowd that favors abortion venhemently opposes adoption as an alternative. That tells you all you need to know. They actually want to kill the babies. To me thats pathological at a minimum and demonic is not far behind.

Those dead babies are the sacrament of their religion. Look at the passion, the extreme focus they have on it, how they rant about it and destroy their chances to be elected for the sake of it.

It's a sick religious fixation with the infanticide bunch.
20 posted on 11/05/2005 11:38:45 PM PST by George W. Bush
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