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How Much Ice in the Global Cocktail?
TechCentralStation.com ^ | 11-4 | Dr. Patrick Michaels

Posted on 11/04/2005 6:56:19 AM PST by EarthStomper

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1 posted on 11/04/2005 6:56:19 AM PST by EarthStomper
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To: EarthStomper
One of the great fears generated by global warming is that the ocean is about to rise and swallow our coasts. These concerns have been heightened by the substantial uptick in Atlantic hurricane activity that began in 1995.

Huh?

2 posted on 11/04/2005 7:00:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping.


3 posted on 11/04/2005 7:01:03 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Sam Cree

Re: Boyle's Law


4 posted on 11/04/2005 7:03:00 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: EarthStomper

The problem with the whole sea level rise due to ice melt is the fact that there is nowhere near as much ice as there was during the ice age.

At the end of the last ice age the sea level did rise by a couple of hundred feet but there isn't a miles think ice cheet covering millions of sqaure miles of land today.


5 posted on 11/04/2005 7:04:16 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek

Actually, Antarctica is 4.5 million square miles, with an average elevation of 8,000 feet.

98% of it is ice.


6 posted on 11/04/2005 7:12:11 AM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: djf
You mean 98% of it is covered in ice
7 posted on 11/04/2005 7:16:19 AM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: EarthStomper
It is simply impossible for the scientific community to ignore what is going on, even as prone to exaggeration of threats as it has grown to be. The planet is warming at the low end of projections. Antarctica is undoubtedly gaining, not losing ice. Greenland appears to either lose a little ice, or, in the recent study of Johannessen, gain dramatically.

And that is being generous to the globull warming freaks.

8 posted on 11/04/2005 7:20:45 AM PST by Always Right
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To: djf

And it's a tiny tiny fraction of the ice that once existed on the land.


9 posted on 11/04/2005 7:22:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Little Pig

I'm not sure what the average elevation is of continents not covered by glaciers. I would guess about I dunno, a thousand feet or so.

That still makes one heck of alot of ice down there.

But from all the accounts I've read, it's getting thicker, not melting.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 7:26:51 AM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: EarthStomper

19 May 2005 - According to a new study published in the online edition of Science, the East Antarctic Ice Sheet gained about 45 billion tons of ice between 1992 and 2003. The ice sheets are several kilometers thick in places, and contain about 90% of the world's ice.

Using data from the European Space Agency's radar satellites ERS-1 and ERS-2, a research team from the University of Missouri , Columbia , measured changes in altitude over about 70% of Antarctica's interior. East Antarctica thickened at an average rate of about 1.8 centimeters per year over the time period studied, the researchers discovered.

The region comprises about 75% of Antarctica 's total land area and about 85% of the total ice volume. The area in question covers more than 2.75 million square miles - roughly the same size as the United States.

(This means that more than 90 percent of the world's glaciers are growing thicker … while the media keeps yelling about the ones that are melting.)


11 posted on 11/04/2005 7:28:51 AM PST by kabar
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Greenland icecap growing thicker

- 20 Oct 2005 - Greenland 's ice-cap has thickened slightly in recent years despite wide predictions of a thaw, scientists said today. Satellite measurements show that more snowfall is thickening the ice-cap,
especially at high altitudes, according to the report in the journal Science.

"The overall ice thickness changes are ... approximately plus 5 cms (1.9 inches) a year or 54 cms (21.26 inches) over 11 years," according to the experts at Norwegian, Russian and U.S. institutes led by Ola Johannessen at the Mohn Sverdrup center for Global Ocean Studies
and Operational Oceanography in Norway.


12 posted on 11/04/2005 7:30:07 AM PST by kabar
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23 Jul 2005 - According to glaciologists, the Kangerdlugssuaq Glacier southeast of Greenland is now moving towards the sea at the "astonishing" rate of more than seven miles (12 km) per year.

The discovery came after recent measurements of the glacier were compared to those taken by NASA in 2002. During the 20th century the Kangerdlugssuaq glacier remained stable. Now it appears to be moving as much as 38 meters
(117 feet) per day.

"Glaciers act in the same way that a river does with a source and a mouth. The source is high in the mountains or at a higher latitude, where snow falls to contribute
to the source of the glacier and to feed it, allowing for advancement. This is rather like a conveyor belt, where snow falls at the top of the mountain, this additional
weight pushes the ice sheet further down, and then ends in the sea, where parts will break off to become icebergs.

The article blames the glacier's advance on "global warming."

They want it both ways, don't they? If the glaciers recede, it must be caused by "global warming." And if they advance? It must be "global warming." The trouble is that the public believes it. What a masterful piece of deception.

You can read the rest of the article, written by Matt Taylor, at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news/23072005news.shtml
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13 posted on 11/04/2005 7:33:08 AM PST by kabar
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It seems to me that the global warming / sea level rise advocates are trying to say that the ice that melts today could cause a similar sea level rise as after the last ice age.

It's like saying that one ice cube will fill a 5 gallon bucket with water if it melts.


14 posted on 11/04/2005 7:39:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: djf
I once calculated that it would take 150 million cubic miles of ice (above sea level) to raise the current sea level 1000', taking in to account the land mass percentage. I'm sure there was some error in my estimates but the rough numbers where correct. I decided to do this after I saw the block buster movie "Water World". (yes it's sarcasm) I used the calculations for volume of a hollow sphere. The current diameter being the hollow part and add 1000' to the radius, multiply by .70% for land area, which would really take a super computer and every topo map to get accurate adjustment for.
15 posted on 11/04/2005 8:00:47 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: cripplecreek
Agree. It's the melting ice/snow on the land masses that would cause the oceans to rise. Since the amount today no where near approaches what it was during the last Ice Age some 11,500 years ago, it is hard to get alarmed about what little melting is going on. In fact, 90% of the world's glaciers are increasing, which portends a new ice age and global cooling, not warming.

Not by Fire but by Ice: THE NEXT ICE AGE - NOW!

16 posted on 11/04/2005 8:10:41 AM PST by kabar
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To: ClearCase_guy

The fear of which he speaks is not of his own making, he brings it in to illustrate the poor science he goes on to show.


17 posted on 11/04/2005 8:13:03 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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Thank heavens for global warming! Without it, I'd have to find somewhere else to live. Talk about being in the right place at the right time- had I been here thousands of years ago, all the ice would have gotten in the way of me enjoying the fertile glacial till region that I call home!


18 posted on 11/04/2005 8:40:09 AM PST by philled
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To: kabar

Interestingly enough our Russian roommate tells us that the Russian people don't really put much faith or thought into global warming theories. They were just happy to have a relatively warm winter last year.

She thinks it's practically tropical here in Michigan. However the city of Cheboksary where she's from is nearly 1000 miles further north than where we live in Jackson.


19 posted on 11/04/2005 8:42:27 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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"It is inevitable that one of tomorrow's headlines will be that scientists have dramatically scaled back their projections of sea level rise associated with global warming."

SSUUURRREEEE they will (snicker, snicker). I hope the author isn't planning to hold his breath while waiting.

20 posted on 11/04/2005 8:46:54 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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