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Prophet cartoons prompt Egypt to cut off Danish dialogue
By The Copenhagen Post ^ | Published 03.11.05 16:00 | By The Copenhagen Post

Posted on 11/04/2005 3:36:37 AM PST by Eurotwit

Egypt discontinues dialogue with Denmark on human rights and discrimination because of cartoon dispute

A Danish newspaper's decision to print cartoons of Muslim prophet Mohammed have caused a diplomatic crisis between Denmark and Egypt, national broadcaster DR reported on Thursday. Egypt's ambassador in Libanon, Hussein Darrar, told news service AFP that Egypt had decided not to continue its dialogue with Denmark on human rights and discrimination.

The Egyptian ambassador in Denmark requested, along with ten other ambassadors of Muslim states, to meet with Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to discuss daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten's decision to print twelve caricatures of the prophet, an act considered blasphemous by many Muslims.

Rasmussen refused to meet with the ambassdors, saying that if they thought he had any power to influence what a national newspaper did and printed, the essence of Danish democracy had been lost on them.

Egyptian Embassy Councillor Mohab Nasr Mostafa Mahdy said he had not seen for himself what Darrar told reporters, but that he was certain it was based on the information Darrar had received on the matter.

'The Egyptian ambassador in Denmark has said that the case no longer rests with the embassy. It is now being treated at an international level. As far as I have been informed by my government, the cartoon case has already been placed on the agenda for the Islamic Conference Organisation's extraordinary summit in the beginning of December,' Mahdy said.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: denmark; egypt; lebanon

1 posted on 11/04/2005 3:36:38 AM PST by Eurotwit
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To: Cindy

All is apparently not well in Lebanon either...

Egypt and Lebanon stop talks with Denmark
03. nov. 2005 15.23 English Opdat.: 03. nov. 2005 16.23
Cartoons of the prophet Mohammed which were published in newspaper Jyllands-Posten in September and which caused uproar in the Muslim community continue to cause controversy.
Now Egypt and Lebanon have taken issue with Denmark.

Egypt's ambassador in Lebanon, Hussein Darrar, after a meeting with the Lebanese foreign minister in which the issue was discussed, said "We have decided not to continue any dialogue with Denmark about human rights and discrimination and other such issues."

Two weeks ago 10 ambassadors in Denmark from mainly Muslim countries wrote to Prime Minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, saying the cartoons had offended them and asking for an apology from the newspaper. The newspaper refused to apologise, citing freedom of expression, an argument with Fogh Rasmussen has fully supported.



Skrevet af: Sue Hansen-Styles


2 posted on 11/04/2005 3:37:10 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Cindy

And in another story where you have to read between the lines...But, the do mention the "zero tolerance" policy of the Århus riots...

Schoolchildren robbed and battered.







One in six schoolchildren has suffered physical violence and robbery, a new study finds

Going to school is no child's game for many children in Copenhagen, where beatings, kicks, robberies, and threats are everyday occurences, a new study of juvenile crimes in the city revealed.

Daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten reported on Friday that one in six children in grades 4-9 had been victim of serious violence, and one in three had been robbed. The perpetrators were normally their own age.

'This is entirely unacceptable. We need to ensure that school staff get the education they need to be better at handling conflicts and pass on the knowledge to children. They should be included in the problems' solutions, and their parent's should be involved, too,' said Per Bregengaard of the Red-Green Alliance, city councillor in charge of education and juvenile affairs.

Educating teachers and students in conflict solving is an expensive affair, and Bregengaard said DKK 10-15 million needed to be allotted in 2006 if the problem was to be solved.

Pia Allerslev, Liberal councillor in the city's educational committee, said she agreed that more funds were needed to solve the problem, but said much of it could be blamed on Bregengaard's policy.

'The study's results are just as shocking as we had feared. It goes to show that the left wing's spineless policy has failed completely,' she said.

Allerslev added that more discipline and consequence was needed to fight violence and crime amongst schools' students.

'Schools have so many sanction possibilities, which they rarely use. We should implement zero-tolerance towards behaviour of that sort in Copenhagen's schools, just as we know from Århus. It's about sending out the signal that we won't put up with just anything,' Allerslev said.



3 posted on 11/04/2005 3:39:07 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit

Oh dear, another stressful holiday season.
Let me just note that on my school calendar.

Thank you Eurotwit for the pings.


4 posted on 11/04/2005 3:40:16 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Eurotwit

Islamic countries don't understand the concept of a free press.


5 posted on 11/04/2005 3:41:35 AM PST by rockprof
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To: rockprof

Hehe. Looks like maybe I should do a few comic strips..


6 posted on 11/04/2005 3:45:34 AM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: Eurotwit

To put how wacky the ME is in perspective, it should also be kept in mind that Egypt is the most liberal and religiously tolerant of all of it's ME/Islamic neighbors. So much so that Egyptians tend to be the object of scorn from the other primarily Islamic countries (for this reason as well as the fact that their average citizen's are mostly dirt poor). So .... if Egypt is the sanest of the bunch and this is their reaction to a cartoon ...


7 posted on 11/04/2005 4:13:29 AM PST by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: Havoc

you should do that, but dont sign your name. they do tend to hold major grudges, see salmon rushdie. but what do you expect when the guy is named after a fish? seriously, do the cartoons and sing john kerrys name to it, use a french flourish. that oughta calm the waters in gay paris just a bit,, huh?


8 posted on 11/04/2005 4:21:47 AM PST by son of caesar (son of caesar)
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To: Eurotwit
...if they thought he had any power to influence what a national newspaper did and printed, the essence of Danish democracy had been lost on them...

Great quote.

9 posted on 11/04/2005 4:53:03 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: Eurotwit

They are "outraged" over this, but have little to say about Muslim outrageousness the world over. Typical.


10 posted on 11/04/2005 4:55:06 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have to admit that I have been quite impressed with the Danish government in general, and Prime Minister Rasmussen particularly.

Cheers.


11 posted on 11/04/2005 5:00:04 AM PST by Eurotwit (WI)
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To: Eurotwit
I have posted this before, several times even, and yet find it evermore relevant (Tell me if it's enough).

http://www.fisiusa.org/fisi_News_items/news109.htm


This article by Dr. Walid, a top scholar at the Islamic University, exposes our so-called secular Indian Muslims. By the doctrine of Al-Taqiyah, Muslims dominate crime syndicates, increase population by massive Bangladeshi infiltration and make temporary alliances with Dalits, Christians, etc.

In the early years of the Islamic conquest of the Arabian peninsula and in the Fatah (Arab-Islamic invasion and conquest of the upper Middle East and the outside world), a Muslim concept was devised to achieve success against the enemy (non Muslims), Al-Taqiyah. Al-Taqiyah, from the verb Ittaqu, means linguistically dodge the threat. Politically it means simulate whatever status you need in order to win the war against the enemy ...

According to Al-Taqiyah, Muslims were granted the Shar'iyee right (legitimacy) to infiltrate the Dar el-Harb (war zone), infiltrate the enemy's cities and forums and plant the seeds of discord and sedition. These agents were acting on behalf of the Muslim authority at war, and therefore were not considered as lying against or denouncing the tenants of Islam.

They were "legitimate" mujahedeen, whose mission was to undermine the enemy's resistance and level of mobilization. One of their major objectives was to cause a split among the enemy's camp while downplaying the issues related to Islam ("Oh, I am not religious." "Oh, that is not Islam, you are mistaken, there is so much misinformation." "Oh, it is in the interpretation." "Brother, Islam is all about peace and love and music just like in the 60s.") In many instances, they convinced their targeted audiences that Jihad is not aimed at them, that indigenous people are not targeted. Meanwhile the (allegedly) "un Islamic" Muslims continued their attacks on the target's property and life (e.g. Lashkar-e Toyiba, Mujahideen and Osama Bin Laden's
declaration of war against innocent American civilians).

They convinced many Jews that they will be protected from Christians, and they convinced many Christians that Jews were the mortal enemies, because they killed Issa (Jesus). They convinced the Aramaics, Copts, and Hebrews that the enemy is Greece, and signed peace agreements with the Bysantines Greeks at the expense of Maronite Aramaics, etc.

They convinced the knitted diversity of India to degrade into civil war by introduction of a variant Buddhist / mystical Islam (Sufism which is decried as "deviant Islam" used to ease the transition of new recruits from local communities) creating divisions (based on Muslim - Non Muslim) eventually fomenting unrest and chaos in the land to prepare it for waves of armed Invasion (Mohammad bin Qasim, Mahmud Ghaznavi, etc.).

Even today, India is bitterly divided and getting slowly Islamised as battle lines form between hordes of overzealous Muslims (armed and trained in madrasahs) and the more pacifist civilians of urban dwellings.

This Jihadic agency of subversion was one of the most fascinating and efficient arms of the conquest. In less than four decades, the Middle East fell to the Arab-Islamic rule [since Arab society was divided again between pagan and Muslim resulting in nephews and sons killing their uncles and fathers in cold blood] followed by North Africa and Central Asia [this was the era of hordes like tribal conquests where barbaric savages invaded pacifist civilians in towns of major civilizations; the same scenario replayed itself against the Arab-Islamic world with the Invasion of the Mongolian hordes].

Al-Taqiyah was a formidable weapon, used by the first dynasties and strategists. Today, scholars may identify it as deception. But the Jihadic deception was and still is more powerful than the James Bondian methods of Western classical intelligence tactics, for the simple reason that it has a civilizational, global dimension versus the narrow State interest of the regular Western subversive
methods.

Al-Taqiyah is still in use today (and is widely practised and acknowledged by the Shi'ite sect) but not necessarily State-organized. Arab-Islamic missionaries are slowly converting the disillusioned criminal classes of the Western world by feeding them a Western "moderate" version of Islam (at the same time denouncing the actions of Muslims in the rest of the world as Un Islamic e.g. Taliban, GIA & FIA [Armed Islamic Front] of Algeria, Hamas, Lashkar -e Toyiba, Bin Laden and company, etc.)

It is done to prevent the new converts from seeing the real face of Islam; at least until their faith or mental conditioning is strong enough to make them turn against their own country and people.

A good example is the growing influence of Islamists in the Americas. On the one hand, American embassies, trade facilities, soldiers and intelligence infrastructures are under attack (but denounced as un-Islamic for the benefit of the new American converts).

On the other hand, the multiplying Islamic community (due to illegal immigration, paper marriages, religious visas granted to the religious men) attempts to pass itself off as "peace loving" and patriotic. In their own circles, the same community will liberally and violently denounce America, the West and its values (freedom, individualism, secularism, capitalism, scientific materialism, benign rehabilitation of criminals, prevention of cruelty against animals, women and gay rights).

One can easily detect Taqiyah in the two discourses used by Islamist strategists. On the one hand, one comprehensive Islamist theory is attempting to mobilize the Middle East, and sometimes Western Christian leaders and intellectuals, against "evil Jews".

They are forming alliances with everyone from Animal Rights' groups (to attack the Jewish tradition of slaughter which is ironically similar in cruelty to the Islamic way) to Far Right fundamentalists (to push for censorship of critiques of Islam and attack every forward thinking movement like women's rights and gay rights).

We see considerable success on that level. And on the other hand, another Islamist comprehensive theory is attempting - with success also - to mobilize the Jews against "evil and pagan Christians".

One can easily detect the sophisticated work of Taqiyah, for the strategic objective of Islamists is to destroy the foundations of the non Muslim civilizations, as a prelude to the defeat of an isolated Israel, India, United States of America, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, Egypt, Afghanistan, etc.

Taqiyah is not a unique phenomenon in history. Many strategists from all backgrounds implemented subversion. But the uniqueness of today's Taqiyah is its success within advanced and sophisticated societies. Taqiyah is winning massively because of the immense lack of knowledge among Western elites, both Jewish and Christian.

For interesting examples of Taqiyah methods, visit Christian discussion groups and forums and note the discourse of Islamist visitors aimed at undermining the Christian perception of Jews, and visit Jewish discussion groups and forums and note the subtle anti-Christian discourse of Islamist visitors. It is really informative and fascinating.
12 posted on 11/04/2005 6:28:13 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Eurotwit

Egypt cuts off relations w/ Denmark? I fail to see where that's a bad thing... ;)


13 posted on 11/04/2005 7:51:25 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: son of caesar

lol


14 posted on 11/04/2005 12:54:50 PM PST by Havoc (President George and King George.. coincidence?)
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To: All
I´m not Muslim, I´m catholic but I think we must understand something: Egypt and all the Muslims believe in Freedom (free press, free opinion, etc. etc.) but we have to respect each other in this world. Muslims deeply love Allah and prophet Mohammed and they felt offended with the cartoon. In Mexico (my land), an old president of us said once: "The respect of the others beliefs is the freedom"
This is my opinion with no offense to anyone.
Bye
15 posted on 01/31/2006 9:20:36 AM PST by Pilsua
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