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Scientists See Light that May Be from First Objects in Universe
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| November 2, 2005
Posted on 11/03/2005 3:50:05 AM PST by Mike Fieschko
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To: txzman
"Scientists theorize that space, time and matter originated 13.7 billion years ago in a Big Bang".
Where was it before that? What was there before that? Something had to be there. You can keep repeating these questions until you're blue in the face or you can come to a conclusion that there has to be a higher power who's is responsible.
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:49:34 AM PST
by
Recon Dad
( Now Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
To: Recon Dad
Where was it before that? What was there before that? Something had to be there. You can keep repeating these questions until you're blue in the face or you can come to a conclusion that there has to be a higher power who's is responsible.I have never had a problem with the scientific view of the universe and the existence of God, and many scientists (I'm sorry, I don't keep their names on file) have said that the more they learn, the more they have to believe in a Higher Power. Next step is getting their lips to form the word "God".
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:51:57 AM PST
by
SlowBoat407
(The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
To: Mike Fieschko
There is no "beginning" in forever.
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:53:46 AM PST
by
SealSeven
(Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
To: SubMareener
No, no.
First, God created everything. But it was formless; Had no substance. But it was a great "wave" - pressure in plasma.
Then He created light. Then solids matter condensed out of the light and energy You can't have shadows without BOTH light and mass.
It's all pretty much exactly what's described in Genesis - just that the physicts finally got around to predicting the same sequence of sub-atomic events only 5000 years later than the wandering shepherds first did.
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:55:01 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
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To: SealSeven
There is no "beginning" in forever.That's gonna put a crimp in that whole first sentence of the Bible, then.
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:55:32 AM PST
by
SlowBoat407
(The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
To: SlowBoat407
No, no.
"Let there be light" came AFTER the Big Bang.
God had to create the universe first. Light was only later.
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posted on
11/03/2005 4:56:30 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
To: Robert A. Cook, PE
It's all pretty much exactly what's described in Genesis - just that the physicts finally got around to predicting the same sequence of sub-atomic events only 5000 years later than the wandering shepherds first did.![](http://www.illusionsgallery.com/Arcadian-Shepherds-L.jpg)
"Okay, so the quarks are held together by gluons, right?"
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:00:19 AM PST
by
SlowBoat407
(The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
To: SlowBoat407
Could be.
The Book doesn't say.
It does decribe the single sea that surrounds the single first continent, the separation of the atmosphere. Took until the mid-50's for science to discover that conttinents drift and all land had once be in a single mass.
Heck, the Book even tells us that dinosaurs (birds) and creatures in the sea were formed before mammals.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:08:09 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
To: Recon Dad
Something had to be there
Why?
But on the other hand, try looking into the theory of a recycling universes.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:11:36 AM PST
by
newcats
To: Robert A. Cook, PE
"Let there be light" came AFTER the Big Bang. God had to create the universe first. Light was only later.Genesis 1:1 describes the cosmological beginning of the universe (which includes light, but not the "fiat lux" variety). Genesis 1:2 describes an Earth that has already been formed, and moves the point-of-view of the narrative to the surface of the Earth. Genesis 1:3 describes the preparation of the Earth for life (or renewed life, if you interpret 1:2 as describing an extinction event). That's where, "Let there be light," comes into play. I'm not sure why there wasn't light before -- perhaps the sky was heavily overcast, or nothing had evolved eyes yet.
To: Mike Fieschko
Scientists See Light that May Be from First Objects in Universe
Followed by scientists hearing what may be the first sounds: "Flick your Bic."
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:30:35 AM PST
by
TomGuy
To: Robert A. Cook, PE; Mike Fieschko; nmh; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Thought they were using 15 billion years as age of universe.. On September 25, 2005, this was published on APOD (Astronomy Picture Of the Day):
![](http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0509/sky_wmap.jpg)
"Specifically, present analyses of the above WMAP all-sky image indicate that the universe is 13.7 billion years old (accurate to 1 percent)..."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The data published in this (Scientists See Light that May Be from First Objects in Universe, NASA, Nov 2, 2005) article are a refinement on the above WMAP data.
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IMO, (to parapharse General Honore), those of you who are stuck on "I'm the most important creature in the Universe, therefore God's 'day' must equal my (earthly) day" should spend a few hours reviewing the APOD archives -- before you refer to thoughtful Christians and millions of scientists as "unwise"...
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:34:37 AM PST
by
TXnMA
(TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
To: Caesar Soze
Close, but actually, Genesis predicted the Big Bang sequence even more closely than that.
Creation, of everything. But the "earth" (separation of the waters above (plasmas and interstellar gasses and matter) from the waters below (the earth's atmosphere and oceans and matter) by the "sky" happens long after the formation of light, and it's condensation into matter.
Clearing of the earth's atmosphere (so that the moon and stars and suns were visible, and can be used for navigation and astronomy) only happens AFTER the plants were created and cleared up the Venus-like poisonous and non-visible original night skies. That only happens several "days" after light it was formed.
Arguably, you could also claim that, since the moon was formed by collision AFTER the continents were formed, we are only waiting for the first plant/microbe life to be found in the rocks before that collision.
But the atmosphere clearing is more distinct, since the lesser light and the greater light clearly can't be seen until the atmosphere itself is oxygen-nitrogen.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:39:50 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
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To: newcats
Hawkings postulates matter disppearing from black holes ... But doesn't ask "where does it go?"
That matter could/should re-appear in between stars as a recycled matter.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:41:43 AM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
To: Mike Fieschko
"If confirmed, the observation provides a glimpse of an era more than 13 billion years ago when, after the fading embers of the theorized Big Bang gave way to millions of years of pervasive darkness, the universe came alive."
No comment.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:42:09 AM PST
by
WorkingClassFilth
(The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
To: newcats
You have failed to answer the question what came before. Something does not come from nothing.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:42:33 AM PST
by
Recon Dad
( Now Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
To: TXnMA
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:45:48 AM PST
by
TXnMA
(TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
To: SlowBoat407
Well stated and my point exactly. The scientist is willing to espouse a theory where matter explodes in a "Big Bang" and they will say this is a loop that continues. The simple question is where did this matter originate?
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:46:49 AM PST
by
Recon Dad
( Now Force Recon Dad (and proud of it))
To: Recon Dad; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
You have failed to answer the question what came before. Something does not come from nothing. Answer: Read the first four words of Genesis...
The present discussion is of clear evidence of precisely (as precisely we can we can measure it at present) when those words applied.
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posted on
11/03/2005 5:53:55 AM PST
by
TXnMA
(TROP: Satan's most successful earthly venture...)
To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Hawkings postulates matter disppearing from black holes ... But doesn't ask "where does it go?"
Matter can be transformed into energy can't it? And energy can take many forms, most of them invisible to the human eye.
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posted on
11/03/2005 6:04:29 AM PST
by
newcats
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