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Investigate the CIA - It was the CIA's bizarre conduct that led inexorably to Ms. Plame's unveiling
Wall Street Journal ^ | November 3, 2005 | By VICTORIA TOENSING

Posted on 11/02/2005 10:51:17 PM PST by Jim Robinson

Edited on 11/02/2005 10:53:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: beyond the sea

Check our the food for oil scandle. The French certainly have their connections in that scandle.


41 posted on 11/03/2005 6:48:12 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: jonrick46

I heard nothing in Fitz's comments at his press conference that he was investigating anything other than the leak. He seemed completely taken in by the spin that this was all about leaking Plame's name to punish Wilson, or, at least, that there were no other avenues for investigation. To me, his outrage at the possibility of a leak - even of classified info - displayed an enormous naivete about the realities of DC. His idealism reminded me of one Kenneth Starr, an idealism that would cause him to vigorously pursue a matter that a more worldy-wise prosecutor would dismiss as everyday politics or (in Starr's case) as a matter peripheral to the presidency that could easily be turned against him by an aggressive and shameless White House (as it was).


42 posted on 11/03/2005 6:56:05 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: jwpjr
"I am STILL outraged that the handling of this entire episode put the cart before the horse by launching a criminal investigation before it was determined if there was a crime."

One of the purposes of this kind of investigation is to determine if a crime was committed.
43 posted on 11/03/2005 6:58:56 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Jim Robinson

It would be great for the GOP Senate to do this, but they lack the "manhood" to do such a thing.

We'll never learn unless we start calling a spade, a spade.


44 posted on 11/03/2005 6:59:31 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
They did not need to question a single person in order to determine if a crime had been committed. There are several criteria that need to be met for what happened to be a crime. At least three of them were not met, and everyone knew they were not met. That was enough to abandon the investigation. To continue it under the guise of investigation a leak was disingenuous. In my humble opinion.
45 posted on 11/03/2005 7:08:48 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: Jim Robinson
"The CIA conduct in this matter is either a brilliant covert action against the White House or inept intelligence tradecraft. It is up to Congress to decide which."

This is why my contempt for the MSM has never been more intense. They have run away from this potentially major story simply because Wilson provided them with a version of events that suited their anti-Bush agenda. The MSM have never challenged Wilson's spin - and/or the media's version of his spin - despite overwhelming evidence that his spin was - in all essential elements - false, and deliberately false:

Wilson was a WMD "expert" and a logical choice for the Niger assignment - false.

Plame had no role in getting Wilson the assignment - false.

Cheney sent Wilson to Niger - false.

Wilson's findings totally undermined the idea that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger - false.

The administrations's claims about the Iraq/Niger uranium connection were either intentionally or unintentionally based on forged documents - false.

Wilson debunked - or even saw - the forged documents - false.

Cheney read Wilson's report - false

Cheney tried to suppress Wilson's report - false.

Wilson's report contained major new findings which were widely circulated throughout the CIA - false.

Cheney tried to "punish" Wilson by "outing" Plame - false.

All of these elements are false, yet they are now believed by millions of Americans because of the MSM's handling of this story. Moreover, the MSM have suppressed the fact that Wilson's story was leaked to the press and embellished more than a year after his trip, at EXACTLY the same time he joined forces with the Kerry campaign. The suppression of such a blatant political motive would NEVER be allowed to remain hidden if this were a Republican criticizing a Democratic administration.
46 posted on 11/03/2005 7:14:33 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
This is why my contempt for the MSM has never been more intense. They have run away from this potentially major story simply because Wilson provided them with a version of events that suited their anti-Bush agenda. The MSM have never challenged Wilson's spin - and/or the media's version of his spin - despite overwhelming evidence that his spin was - in all essential elements - false, and deliberately false:___

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The old established/liberal/socialist media is America's most ruthless, relentless, and destructive enemy.

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47 posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:24 AM PST by beyond the sea (Gloria Borger is Andrea Mitchell on Peyote)
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To: Steve_Seattle

I was shocked that Fitzgerald so narrowly focused his investigations. I have a habit, though, of reading between the lines. I can see lots of information gathered ready to be taken up in future indictments that would send the DemonRats running.


48 posted on 11/03/2005 9:05:54 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: clee1
Most American are more concerned with professional sports and reality TV than they are with the disfunctions of our gooberment.

Just the thought of the CIA being used for political purposes against any sitting president should scare the daylights out of both sides of the political spectrum.

First the Republicans because it was used against them, but then there should be enough old line hippies in the left, left to be freaked out not to mention the fact that there will have been a Republican President for 8 years with enough time to change the political outlook of the CIA, that should scare any lefty enough to go after the CIA playing internal political games, especially since they do not have control of the Congress or Senate, so no power to deal with any situation used against them.

49 posted on 11/03/2005 9:32:42 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Jim Robinson

To all,

Here is a question I have been meaning to ask all of you.

We know that the whole Brouhaha started with Joe Wilson's article in the NY Times and later, his interviews with almost everyone who wanted to talk to him,in effect accusing Bush of lying to get us to war.

Here is a relevant Senate Select Intelligence Committee paragrpah in their report that I find disturbing (CUT AND PASTE ) :





"By the time American troops had been deployed overseas and were poised to attack Iraq, the Administration had skillfully manipulated and cowed the Intelligence Community into approving public statements that conveyed a level of conviction and certainty that was not supported by an objective reading of the underlying intelligence reporting.

The charge levied in the President's State of the Union Address in late January 2003 that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa is the most notable example of how the Intelligence Community's agreed to let the Administration be a fact witness to an intelligence report the CIA considered 'weak' and 'not credible.'"





The question I want to ask is this -- everyone wants to blame the White House for getting us to war based on faulty intelligence that they MAGNIFIED to make it look more dangerous than it is -- But what is NOT SAID is that a MAJORITY of Democrats in Congress, Kerry, Edwards and Hillary VOTED for allowing military action too.

John Kerry was a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and should have been privy to all intelligence data that the White House was privy to....what I want to verify is this :

1) ARE THERE INTELLIGENCE DATA THAT THE WHITE HOUSE IS PRIVY TO THAT ARE WITHHELD FROM THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE ?

2) HOW MANY DEMOCRATS IN THE SENATE INTEL COMMITTEE, UPON PERUSING THE INTEL DATA PRESENTED TO IT, VOTED TO ALLOW MILITARY ACTION IN IRAQ ANYWAY ?

3) HOW MANY MEMBERS IN THE SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW THE DATA THAT LED TO WAR ( YES THE ONE OFTEN CITED TO SHOW THAT JOE WILSON LIED ), VOTED *FOR* THE WAR ?

For me, ONLY THOSE WHO VOTED AGAINST THE WAR HAVE THE CREDIBILITY TO SAY "I told you so".

Your answers to my above questions will be appreciated.


50 posted on 11/03/2005 9:34:27 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: Jim Robinson

I saw Teonsing's interview on "FOX and Friends" this morning and she is absolutely brilliant.


51 posted on 11/03/2005 9:42:41 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Liberal Bob
You do know, don't you, that the 'invasion' you reference was 1991 rather than 2003?

The IAEA knew ten years before the latest invasion that Iraq had 500 tons of yellowcake - it was being monitored, and - most importantly - there was not a prohibition on them having it.

52 posted on 11/03/2005 9:51:41 AM PST by lugsoul
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To: Liberal Bob

From David Kay's WMD report:

We have discovered dozens of WMD-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations during the inspections that began in late 2002. The discovery of these deliberate concealment efforts have come about both through the admissions of Iraqi scientists and officials concerning information they deliberately withheld and through physical evidence of equipment and activities that ISG has discovered that should have been declared to the UN.

Among the discoveries:
* A clandestine network of laboratories and safehouses within the Iraqi Intelligence Service that contained equipment subject to UN monitoring and suitable for continuing CBW research.

* A prison laboratory complex, possibly used in human testing of BW agents, that Iraqi officials working to prepare for UN inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the UN.

* Reference strains of biological organisms concealed in a scientist's home, one of which can be used to produce biological weapons.

* New research on BW-applicable agents, Brucella and Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin were not declared to the UN.

* Documents and equipment, hidden in scientists' homes, that would have been useful in resuming uranium enrichment by centrifuge and electromagnetic isotope separation (EMIS).

* A line of UAVs not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 km, 350 km beyond the permissible limit.

* Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited SCUD variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the UN.

* Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1000 km - well beyond the 150 km range limit imposed by the UN. Missiles of a 1000 km range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets through out the Middle East, including Ankara, Cairo, and Abu Dhabi.

* Clandestine attempts between late-1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300 km range ballistic missiles --probably the No Dong -- 300 km range anti-ship cruise missiles, and other prohibited military equipment.

With regard to biological warfare activities, which has been one of our two initial areas of focus, ISG teams are uncovering significant information - including research and development of BW-applicable organisms, the involvement of Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) in possible BW activities, and deliberate concealment activities. All of this suggests Iraq after 1996 further compartmentalized its program and focused on maintaining smaller, covert capabilities that could be activated quickly to surge the production of BW agents.
A very large body of information has been developed through debriefings, site visits, and exploitation of captured Iraqi documents that confirms that Iraq concealed equipment and materials from UN inspectors when they returned in 2002. One noteworthy example is a collection of reference strains that ought to have been declared to the UN. Among them was a vial of live C. botulinum Okra B. from which a biological agent can be produced. This discovery - hidden in the home of a BW scientist - illustrates the point I made earlier about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons. The scientist who concealed the vials containing this agent has identified a large cache of agents that he was asked, but refused, to conceal. ISG is actively searching for this second cache.

Then Kay said this:

[W]hatever we find will probably differ from pre-war intelligence. Empirical reality on the ground is, and has always been, different from intelligence judgments that must be made under serious constraints of time, distance and information. It is, however, only by understanding precisely what those differences are that the quality of future intelligence and investment decisions concerning future intelligence systems can be improved. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is such a continuing threat to global society that learning those lessons has a high imperative.



53 posted on 11/03/2005 10:38:06 AM PST by Peach (The Dems enabled Able Danger. 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Bavarian Leprechaun

I like your theories, very simple and commonsense. If you start a ping list, please put me on it.


54 posted on 11/03/2005 11:01:34 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: ThirstyMan

Wilson told two journalists, Pincus and Kristof, that he, Wilson, had debunked the forged Niger documents. The documents had recently been publically acknowledged to be fakes. Wilson made his statements to Pincus and Kristof at the same time that he had joined the Kerry campaign. The problem, however, is that Wilson had never seen the forged documents, his trip to Niger had nothing to do with them, and in any event Wilson's report never reached Cheney's eyes. So Joe got some splainin' to do there.


55 posted on 11/03/2005 11:18:46 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Guenevere
Wow. You were up early! It's 2:30pm now, so you must be napping...
56 posted on 11/03/2005 11:32:47 AM PST by b4its2late (Suicidal Blond Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rush has been all over some of these key issues like a pit bull on a Rat.


57 posted on 11/03/2005 11:35:27 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Excellent summary: I'll take the former without the "brilliant." The only thing that made this gambit work was endless coverage by the MSM repeatedly babbling Democrat bleatings of Ms. Plame's status as a covert agent.
58 posted on 11/03/2005 11:36:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Grampa Dave

I hope somebody (like the Intel Comm chairman) is listening and brings Wilson et al in for questioning.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 11:40:14 AM PST by b4its2late (Suicidal Blond Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!)
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To: budwiesest; Zacs Mom
Did you see him (Wilson) on the Katie and Matt Show? Wouldn't supprise me if he's photographed boppin a fence-chained Cindy Sheehan in Crawford one of these days.

It may have happened earlier this year, just look at the A$$hole Wilson in the Kangaroo Impeachment Court hosted by the communist/America Hater Conyers.

Picture of Joseph Wilson with Cindy Sheenan at Conyer's Kanagroo Court.


60 posted on 11/03/2005 11:41:07 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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