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Apple hits new high, on video, PC expectations
Cnet ^ | 11/02/2005

Posted on 11/02/2005 7:24:45 PM PST by Panerai

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1 posted on 11/02/2005 7:24:46 PM PST by Panerai
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To: The_Victor

So what was that about video capabilities killing the iPod, and therefore Apple's stock price?


2 posted on 11/02/2005 7:27:43 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: Panerai

To this day, one can trace a continual stream of "APPLE IS DEAD" articles back to the early 1980s.


3 posted on 11/02/2005 7:31:02 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Terpfen
I don't know, but I think the perfect DAP would be if the click-wheel of the iPod could be combined with the MegaBass feature and the removable battery of the Sony-made equivalent. The Sony player beats the iPod's audio quality any day.
4 posted on 11/02/2005 7:34:48 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Panerai

yay pump of century


5 posted on 11/02/2005 7:41:07 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: SteveMcKing

Apple was dead, then Steve Jobs came back.


6 posted on 11/02/2005 7:49:36 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: CarrotAndStick

No comment, as I don't own either device.


7 posted on 11/02/2005 8:04:50 PM PST by Terpfen (Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
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To: Bush2000; antiRepublicrat; Action-America; eno_; Glenn; gmill; BigFinn; backslacker; Brian Allen; ..
Apple riding high on Video and iPod Nano... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.


8 posted on 11/02/2005 8:21:42 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: Panerai
Wo ho, I'm rich.
I would be if I had bought more than 100 shares last year.
9 posted on 11/02/2005 8:46:31 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: SteveMcKing
To this day, one can trace a continual stream of "APPLE IS DEAD" articles back to the early 1980s.

Even further back than that, as I've worked with Apple PC's since 1977. I remember articles in the late 1970's that computers by Radio Shack (TRS80), Atari, etc., would put Apple out of business and that Apple was dead. Then IBM came out with their crappy PC and the articles were printed again. Biggest mistake I made was not buying Apple stock early on. I've been making money on it for the last 10 years, especially now.

10 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:50 PM PST by roadcat
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To: SteveMcKing

Yeh. "The rumors of (Apple's) death have been greatly exaggerated".


11 posted on 11/03/2005 5:02:02 AM PST by RoadTest (The Fear Of The Lord is the beginning of Wisdom)
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To: CarrotAndStick
The Sony player beats the iPod's audio quality any day.

Let's see:

Hard drive: Sony 20GB, iPod 30/60GB.

Format: Sony mp3/WMA/ATRAC, iPod mp3/AAC/Lossless/Audible. iPod supports better music formats.

Display: Sony 1.5", iPod 2.5".

Video: Sony none, iPod yes.

Navigation: iPod has the click wheel, 'nuff said.

I'll go with the iPod. All that costs you only $20 more. And I like that the battery isn't removable. It's an engineering decision that results in a smaller device.

12 posted on 11/03/2005 5:29:02 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Terpfen
Yeah, its done well in the short term, but it's the Nano sales that are carrying AAPL. BTW if you care to go back and actually review what I said, I was talking about the one day hit that AAPL to on the day they announced the iPod Video, but don't let reality keep you from gloating.

I was talking to my 13 year old daughter about the new iPod. She wants a Nano, but when I asked her if for $50-$100 more she could get video capability on her iPod, she responded, "Why?" I explained about the episodes of Lost and Desperate Housewives that could be purchased online just like iTunes, but she didn't want to watch them on a tiny screen.

Jury's not back yet, but by all means sink your life's savings into AAPL if you think the stock is going to continue to rise.

13 posted on 11/03/2005 5:42:19 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Let's see: Hard drive: Sony 20GB, iPod 30/60GB. Format: Sony mp3/WMA/ATRAC, iPod mp3/AAC/Lossless/Audible. iPod supports better music formats. Display: Sony 1.5", iPod 2.5". Video: Sony none, iPod yes. Navigation: iPod has the click wheel, 'nuff said. I'll go with the iPod. All that costs you only $20 more. And I like that the battery isn't removable. It's an engineering decision that results in a smaller device.

None of the above features can beat what Sony offers- MegaBass. You need to hear both to notice the distinct difference in audio quality, with the same MP3 file.

I know, because I have used both.

I stand by what I mentioned earlier- the Sony player, with the iPod's ClickWheel™, is a combination that'll beat both.

20 GB may be improved(although more than enough for most ordinary folks). But none of what Apple offers can beat the superior acoustic engineering that Sony enjoys. As for formats, well who uses anything other than MP3 these days? Native files are not tag-able.

And about the display, it is good enough if it can show the album, name,title, essential settings, etc., the rest are all ribbons and wrapping, for a digital AUDIO player. Besides, Sony's display is reversible. And the removable battery does not mean an increase in dimensions- in fact, Sony's is smaller.

Besides, on a long trip, the iPod's battery lasts 8-9 hours tops, if you are into frequently shuffling and skipping songs. Turning on the EQ feature drains battery life out of an iPod worse than a sandbag with a hole.

With the Sony's DAP all you need to do is carry an extra battery pack(or more), no bigger than a cube of butter, and you're ready for hours more, unlike in the iPod.

I'll give in on the ClickWheel™ though.

14 posted on 11/03/2005 6:04:19 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: antiRepublicrat

And since the iPod is not designed to be battery-replaceable, when you return it to the store to get the battery changed, you end up having your iPod with the new battery installed, but unfortunately the physical prying-open manouvre on the iPod to access the battery, leaves it with damaged edges. Not something you want happening to a $300 device. And lithium-ion batterys aren't good for more than a year or two.

With the Sony player, all you need to do is buy a new battery and pop it in through the access-door and you're done. As good as new.


15 posted on 11/03/2005 6:11:47 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

But look at the Sony! The form factor and interface don't even compare. There is a reason people a Mercedes instead of a Chevy. Style!


16 posted on 11/03/2005 6:17:14 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

For something that's half the time in your pocket, what use is "style"? To me functionality beats style. And audio quality and performance is King-Emperor.

Believe me you, hear out both, and you will choose Sony.


17 posted on 11/03/2005 6:25:32 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Panerai; Swordmaker

Apple stock up $1.60 this morning to around $61.50...


18 posted on 11/03/2005 7:04:33 AM PST by tubebender (Chris Matthews suffers from "IRRATIONAL EXUBERANCE"...)
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To: CarrotAndStick
None of the above features can beat what Sony offers- MegaBass.

I never liked MegaBass, I never used it in my Sony Discman or minidisc player.

As for formats, well who uses anything other than MP3 these days?

Anybody who enjoys quality. AAC is far superior.

And the removable battery does not mean an increase in dimensions- in fact, Sony's is smaller.

Only because of the smaller screen. The iPod actually managed to be thinner even with all the extra stuff.

With the Sony's DAP all you need to do is carry an extra battery pack

There are also iPod chargers and external battery packs.

A lot of it just amounts to personal taste, there are no absolutes. I simply prefer the iPod package and abilities.

19 posted on 11/03/2005 7:38:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I guess so. But I still think Apple needs to make the iPod's battery better accessible/removable. Then, it would be a perfect DAP.


Personal tastes definitely influence matters such as the ones you and I mentioned earlier. I concede on that note.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 7:44:15 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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