To: Revolting cat!
I understand clearly the point you and others are making on this point. And it is a great point to make. For some weird reason we have arrived in the Western World to think Fascism is bad, Socialism is good when really they are simply factions of the same belief system. One reason this is so is that the generation that fought Hitler were largely a generation that embraced socialism. Many of them were elated when the Fascists and Communists made a pact to divide Poland. Only after Hitlers betrayal did they come to demonize Fascism and perhaps make their distinction between National Socialism and pure Socialism. So there is a anti-Fascist bias in our striving for international justice. It explains why Pinochet was destroyed, but Castro will die of old age.
I think what is particularly disgusting about Hitlers followers is they not only sought to eliminate political opponents, as Stalin did, but were obsessed with racial purity. They followed the logical conclusion of eugenics to its very end. I admit we can argue until the cows come home who were the worse villains.
To: Sam Gamgee
We can argue until the cows come home, because Fascism, after its demise 60 years ago (and please let's not include Pinochet among Fascists) was propagandized till no end, and still is propagandized, as the ultimate evil. The lie repeated 100 times becomes the truth. No, it's gone, it was gone in 1945, while Siberian gulags lasted for another 15 years, murdering in that time as many if not more as the Nazis had done (and certainly Mao did his share of murders during the same time.) All this does not register in your or mine conscioussness as the endlessly repeated crimes of Hitler. It simply doesn't exist. So it's a matter of perceptions, individual and societal, and those have been shaped by the propagandists, many of them sympathizers, fellow travelers or paid lackeys of the Communists.
There is no argument which is more evil, there is a question why we stubbornly continue to disregard the crimes of Communism.
45 posted on
11/03/2005 1:55:19 PM PST by
Revolting cat!
("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
To: Sam Gamgee; Revolting cat!
Communist/socialist countries are very up on class background purity (witnessed by my dad personally when he was a young boy growing up in early years of Communist People's Repiblic of China just prior to the Great Leap Forward years). The only thing it is different from the Euro snobs in places like Edwardian Britain is that it is turned upside down in favour of those who are from humbled class origin and who are not wealthy. This type of classification is, as one historian in the 1970s put it, a form of mental racism.
But no leftists in the West would seriously consider this. This is one great hypocrisy they exhibit.
46 posted on
11/03/2005 1:58:02 PM PST by
NZerFromHK
(Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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