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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Diesel has a HIGH! HIGH! pollutant output compared to the refine octane of the common ICE vehicle. The manipulation of information that comes with the hypocricy of "bio diesel" is worthy of ridicule.

Diesel produces more CO2, diesel engines (that aren't 3 inches thick) require more maintenance, and the Bio-Diesel has a by product, I forget which one, but it is either a major caustic compound, or a major acid. The same people who say that coal is killing the world (despite the advances in degassification) are gonna say it is okay to polute the world with these side affects.

I'm working off of faulty memory, can someone who knows a thing about chemistry support me please?


6 posted on 11/02/2005 2:12:25 PM PST by wickedpinto (The road map to peace is a straight line down an Israeli rifle.)
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To: wickedpinto

Major Components of diesel exhaust

Carbon dioxide, ID-172
Carbon monoxide, ID-210
Nitrogen dioxide, ID-182, NIOSH 6014
Nitric oxide, ID-190, NIOSH 6014
Particulates, NIOSH Sulfur dioxide, ID-200
Minor Components
Acrolein, OSHA 52, NIOSH 2539
o-Anisaldehyde
Benzene, OSHA 12, NIOSH
2,3-Benzofuran
Coumarin
Formaldehyde, OSHA 52, NIOSH 2539
4-Hydroxycoumarin
m-Hydroxyacetophenone
2-Hydroxy-4-methoxyacetophenone
Menadione
6-Methoxytetralone
6-Methylcoumarin
3-Methyl-2-cyclopentene-2-ol-one
Trimethylbenzene
Polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons, OSHA 58, NIOSH 5506, NIOSH 5515
Acenaphthene
Acenaphthylene
Anthracene
Benz[a]anthracene
Benzo[b]fluoranthene
Benzo[k]fluoranthene
Benzo[ghi]perylene
Benzo[a]pyrene
Benzo[e]pyrene
Crysene
Dibenz[a,h]anthracene
Fluoranthene
Fluorene
Indeno[1,2,3-cd]pyrene
Naphthalene, OSHA 35
Phenanthrene
Pyrene


15 posted on 11/02/2005 2:16:28 PM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>)
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To: wickedpinto

>Bio-Diesel has a by product, I forget which one, but it is either a major caustic compound, or a major acid. <

If I'm not mistaken, the by-product created by the biodiesel process is glycerin, a component in soapmaking.


22 posted on 11/02/2005 2:23:49 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: wickedpinto
Diesel produces more CO2

Yeah, I'm really afraid of carbon dioxide.

If you meant CO, biodiesel produces considerably less CO than standard diesel.

24 posted on 11/02/2005 2:24:44 PM PST by Sols
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To: wickedpinto

Biodiesel is alright because there is no net change in the CO2 content of the atmosphere. If you are burning plant products to get CO2, you only replace that which was removed in the growth of the plant. Fossil fuels are different becuase it reintorduces CO2 that has been out of circulation for millions of years.


46 posted on 11/02/2005 3:34:05 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: wickedpinto
Diesel has a HIGH! HIGH! pollutant output compared to the refine octane of the common ICE vehicle.

That would be true in the past but thanks to common-rail pressurized direct fuel injection for extremely precise fuel delivery, a new generation of catalytic converters for diesel exhaust that also double as particulate traps and computerized engine controls, today's diesel engines aren't the smokey, clattering engines of the past. If you've driven the Mercedes-Benz E320CDI you know what I mean...

53 posted on 11/02/2005 3:49:32 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: wickedpinto
Diesel engines are more thermally efficient than Gasoline engines. They get higher MPG than their gasoline counterparts. If you figure this into your rant, you'll find out that they are actually more "green" than gasoline engines. Diesel...even the newest ULS diesel slated to come to market needs to be refined less than gasoline, thus there is another energy savings...

They CAN in fact be equipped with catalytic converters to burn NOX off and thus be cleaner....google "diesel catalytic converters". No ones b!tched about it much as of yet so the manufacturers are not required to use them.

The new ULS diesel burns very clean.

The "thickness" of a diesel engine has little to do with it's maintenance.

The newest direct injection engines are very reliable. They are very quiet. They burn very cleanly.

Can you be specific as to what "more maintenance" a....ummmmm "Thin" diesel engine would require as compared to it's gasoline counterpart? I'm just curious.

The byproduct of making 100% biodiesel is lye.

The ONE downside of diesel is it's higher solid particulates expelled out of the exhaust. Technology has lessened this byproduct by a large amount in the last ten years.
58 posted on 11/02/2005 4:10:43 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: wickedpinto
Diesel has a HIGH! HIGH! pollutant output compared to the refine octane of the common ICE vehicle. The manipulation of information that comes with the hypocricy of "bio diesel" is worthy of ridicule

Your post is full of lies.

Diesel engines, because they use less fuel per mile than equivalent gasoline engines, emit less CO2. That's why they get tax breaks in Europe.

Because biodiesel is made from plant matter, the overall CO2 emissions are even less, because most of the CO2 that gets emitted will be absorbed in the grow cycle.

Diesels also put out less HC and CO.

The only pollutants they put out more of are "local" pollutants: NOx and PM, which can be cleaned up with catalysis and urea injection.

74 posted on 11/03/2005 6:25:46 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: wickedpinto

Biodiesel burns much much cleaner than petrodiesel. Very little soot. I have been using it for three years. I've been burning B100 for the past year. You can never see any smoke soot coming out of my tailpipe, even on start up.


80 posted on 11/04/2005 6:46:51 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: wickedpinto
Go HERE, and have your questions answered.

http://www.freedomfuelamerica.com/

85 posted on 11/04/2005 8:43:42 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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