Picky female frogs drive evolution of new species in less than 8,000 years

UC Berkeley News Center ^ | 27 October 2005 | Robert Sanders

[Dimensio]

Evolution never happened.

Well, I guess that settles it then. We might as well throw out the last 150 years of research in biology. You say that their conclusions are false, and since you're omniscient...

...oh, wait, you're not. Nevermind.

[mlc9852]

And once again, the frog is a frog. I am really getting bored with these same old arguments. Maybe we could argue about whether Muslims should be allowed into the U.S.

[MeanWestTexan]

"I just think that, if an interpretation of Scripture conflicts with reality, it is the interpretation of Scripture that is wrong. To think the other way is the very definition of insanity."

DING. DING. DING. We have a winner.

So many of the flat-earth, YEC crowd read the Bible with an agenda that puts a lot of spin into the Bible that is simply not in the Word.

[Liberal Classic]

I am a human being... Can't speak for you.

Do you have any purpose on these threads other than to yell out cheap shots from the peanut gallery?

[Junior]

Explanations might differ if each piece of evidence was interpreted only in regards to itself. However, the totality of the evidence points decidedly toward evolution and common descent. And there is a lot of evidence out there. A Scholar Google search turns up more than 3 million papers on evolution. There are millions more not available on line. Hundreds of thousands of researchers in numerous fields have been adding to this body of knowledge for more than a century. By dismissing all this as "mere assumptions" you are doing a disservice to the work these folks have labored over.

[TaxRelief]

In what way, physically, were they "unable to mate with either of the original frog populations"?

[Junior]

We are of the same species, so you're definitely a Naked Ape, too.

[savedbygrace]

That's a silly reply. Without seeing the underlying material, I have no idea what the assumptions are. Got a link?

[js1138]

They're really ugly.

[b_sharp]

"Apes can't talk or write or sing or draw or build things or drive a car or a bunch of other things."

Differences in degree only. They communicate through vocalizations nd body language. Writing is a rather recent human talent, many peoples did not have 'writing' as a method of communication as recently as a few hundred years ago. However other communication techniques can and do substitute for writing. Singing I'm not sure of, but I assume that Chimps use vocalization to calm younger chimps since they cradle and rock them as we do.

Building things and driving cars are recent accomplishments, not long ago we didn't do either. We have digs that show limited tool use in early humans, but we've also observed tool use in Gorillas.

If you observed a human child using a stick to check the depths of a stream being crossed what would you think of his/her intelligence?

[mlc9852]

I wasn't yelling. That would be CAPS and it's rude.

[Junior]

The physical inability to mate is not the criteria for being separate species. Simply the inability to mate (be it because of physical difficulties or mismatched sexual cues) is sufficient to genetically isolate a population.

[mlc9852]

Some apes just shouldn't be naked.

[Sofa King]

Nah. They're still going to hold out for seeing a new species evolve over the course of thier lifetimes, no matter how many times they're told that TOE predicts it requiring a longer period than that.

[Junior]

You're the one who claimed it was all based upon assumptions. I assumed you had some idea of what those assumptions might have been. My bad. You were simply bloviating.

[b_sharp]

"why should I assume evolution is limitless?"

Why would you assume it is limited?

[mlc9852]

"If you observed a human child using a stick to check the depths of a stream being crossed what would you think of his/her intelligence?"

I would wonder why his/her parents weren't watching him/her near the water.

And writing goes back much farther than a few hundred years.

Look, if you want to be an ape, that's fine. I prefer to be a human.

[b_sharp]

"You mean we look like apes? Well, I don't.

The differences between our appearance and a Pan paniscus is less than the difference in appearance between a Great Dane and a Pug.

[RightWhale]

That's a good one. Something William James would have liked.

[b_sharp]

"Just so long as you don't say humans evolved from ape-like creatures"

My post contains an implied question, would you like to answer it?

We do share a common ancestor with the other great apes.