Judge grills Dover official [Dover trial 11/1/05]

York (PA) Daily Record ^ | 11/1/2005 | LAURI LEBO

[RadioAstronomer]

Thanks for the post. :-)

[RightWingNilla]

These crevo threads are a real vocabulary builder...

Reticule

[Doctor Stochastic]

They even justify the phrase about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[RightWingNilla]

In fact, it's going to hell in a handbag.

BWHAHAHAA! Straight to hell in a drawstring bag!

[b_sharp]

"Life is found to be more complex than less every year it is examined. Thus those arguing against Intelligent Design and the obvious complexity will find it harder and harder to maintain the facade that chance created everything"

ID has yet to show that nature cannot and does not produce specified complexity. Without the assumption that only intelligence can produce SC, ID hasn't a leg to stand on. By itself, specified complexity is not enough to show the inability of nature to have produced all we see nor give IDists the ability to recognize design.

[longshadow]

He is having major technical problems. Looks like he will be off the air for a while longer.

That's what happens when you don't stay current with your dues to DarwinCentral™.......

[Doctor Stochastic]

Police Bust Fake ID Ring

Preview of coming attractions.

[mlc9852]

What DOES the Constitution say about teaching evolution anyway? I have looked and looked and can't find it anywhere. Please help me!

[mlc9852]

But where did nature come from? What started nature? What drives nature?

[Coyoteman]

I've gotten no straight answer from any of you to this question...our existence is threatened exactly how if a teacher in the Dover School District reads a two minute speech indicating an alternative exists to the sainted Darwinian scrolls...to be studied at some other time and place only if desired...

The whole purpose of that "two minute speech" is to destroy trust in science, as that is the only way to "wedge" ID in the back door. It certainly does not qualify as science, eligible to be taught on its own merits.

Clear enough for you?

[Doctor Stochastic]

Sort of like what some people want to see in mathematics?

"It's absurdly irrational to imagine that -2 has a square root."

[b_sharp]

"But where did nature come from? What started nature?

Good question and one science is actively trying to answer. However this inability of science to currently explain the origins of nature does not help the IDists in their attempt to define themselves, nor does it help in identifying what is and what is not designed.

"What drives nature?"

I have no idea what you mean. How is nature 'driven'?

[Physicist]

My first draft was even more subtle: "...the web of life, from the python to the giraffe, shows that..."

[furball4paws]

But "bag" has so many more delicious connotations.

[highball]

What DOES the Constitution say about teaching evolution anyway? I have looked and looked and can't find it anywhere. Please help me!

I'm tempted to say that you're beyond help, but that wouldn't be nice. ;-)

You can't teach religious dogma as science in public schools. To do so is un-Constitutional. The school board knew that, which is why they concocted this stealth campaign to sneak creationism into the classroom under the cloak of "intelligent design." Hint: when you can't openly reveal your true motives, they probably aren't any good.

But now it's time to put up or shut up. I would appreciate your honest answer to this question:

Do you support lying in the service of your beliefs? Do you still support the Dover school board, even after all that's happened?

[Doctor Stochastic]

If the school board members are lying about a measly $850, what else are they hiding?

[Junior]

What I find amusing is the zeal you evo's consume in pressing whatever advantage you seem to believe exists...I've gotten no straight answer from any of you to this question...our existence is threatened exactly how if a teacher in the Dover School District reads a two minute speech indicating an alternative exists to the sainted Darwinian scrolls...to be studied at some other time and place only if desired...

Because you fail to realize THERE IS NO "ALTERNATIVE" TO EVOLUTION. ID is not science. None of the things these groups are pushing are science. Evolution is currently the only set of theories explaining the diversity of life around us.

You would have us lie to high school students in the same manner that the creationist elite have been lying to you all these years.

Now, until there is some scientific research supporting these so-called "alternatives to evolution" you haven't got a dog in this hunt.

[mlc9852]

What makes nature work? What drives natural selection?

[mlc9852]

Can you at least show me where in the Constitution it states this? If it's there you should be able to.

[mlc9852]

And I really am not familiar with the Dover school board so I do feel qualified to comment. All I know is what I read here.