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What's ours is ours (Alberta tells rest of Canada: we won't "share" surplus with you)
Western Standard (Canada) ^ | October 31, 2005 | Ric Dolphin

Posted on 10/31/2005 8:45:57 PM PST by NZerFromHK

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Alberta: Up yours, Canada!
1 posted on 10/31/2005 8:45:58 PM PST by NZerFromHK
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To: NZerFromHK

She should have smacked her.


2 posted on 10/31/2005 8:49:31 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: NZerFromHK

Drek!.................FRegards


3 posted on 10/31/2005 8:57:57 PM PST by gonzo (K-Y Jelly???.........Nope! I can't think of any other use for it either!............)
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To: NZerFromHK
"I responded by explaining that the cheque would no doubt be made out to me and go straight into my bank account; she told me to shut up; I told her to watch her mouth; she stuck her tongue out; I poured my coffee; blessed silence reigned."

Well, he raised quite a fine spoiled brat, didn't he?....hope he enjoys the next 4 years...

4 posted on 10/31/2005 9:05:10 PM PST by goodnesswins (DEMS....40 yrs and $$$dollars for the War on Poverty, but NOT a $$ or minute for the WAR on Terror!)
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To: NZerFromHK
Under Canadian laws, provinces have to share their surpluses with each other and give to those that run in deficits. Imagine you in Taxas having to share with revenues with Rhode Island or California and you get the idea. By far the largest contributor per capita is Alberta - far exceeding the next fellow net contributor Ontario (who supposedly thinks itself as having sustained the entire nation financially):

You can see here that each individual in Alberta effectively pays about 8 times more than each Ontario person to other poor provinces.

5 posted on 10/31/2005 9:11:51 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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The notion that taxes (the people's money) belong to them instead of the State is generally a foreign notion to most Canadians -especially in central Canada. Alberta is generally a lone exception.


6 posted on 10/31/2005 9:21:51 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: goodnesswins
Well, he raised quite a fine spoiled brat, didn't he?....hope he enjoys the next 4 years...

And then he comitts the cardinal sin of trying to reason with his nascent socialist without using any actual logic or reason. He just mentions vague concepts about the money going back to the "household".

The conversation should have gone something like this:

Daughter: "When do I get my $400?"

Daddy: "When you start paying taxes."

Simple, to the point, and completely correct.

7 posted on 10/31/2005 9:36:09 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
Canada continually gets its collective political panties in a bunch over Quebec seceding. (Did anything ever come of the whole "Gomery Investigation?)

Quebec will never leave (they'd lose their place at the federal tax trough).

What Canada really needs to worry about is Alberta seceding.

8 posted on 10/31/2005 9:40:47 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: NZerFromHK

I got three words...READ THE TAGLINE!


9 posted on 10/31/2005 9:46:35 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas; pillbox_girl

Albertans are about as un-socialist as Canadians go. Politically they are also much more conservative than Canadians.

This is the reason Alberta's people are referred to as "the fifth columns of the United States" in Ontario and Quebec. They are cariatured as having busts of George W. Bush at home and have hidden flagpoles somewhere at home to hoist a Stars and Stripes in secret.


10 posted on 10/31/2005 10:21:43 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: NZerFromHK

I realize that, but they are still a part of a socialist country, which is why they continually get raped by the Feds, as it were. Someday, Atlas might just shrug.


11 posted on 10/31/2005 10:23:25 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: NZerFromHK
Calgary and Edmonton are booming. Edmonton is often referred to as "The Canadian Houston" because of it's skyscrapers and its involvement in the petroleum industry.


12 posted on 10/31/2005 10:29:45 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Republic of Texas
They are getting fed up. Just in August a survey revealed 43% of Albertans want to consider independence from Canada:

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It wasn’t just what the bumper sticker said, but where it was placed and what it was stuck on. The white rectangle that read, "One hundred years is long enough," followed by the website address, www.separationalberta.com, was high up in the rear window of a shiny new, high-end SUV driving through supposedly Liberal downtown Edmonton-- not on a dusty old pickup truck in a small prairie town. And at the wheel was a smartly-dressed soccer mom, her two kids seated behind her, though obscured by the tinted side windows. These days, western independence has a new face. A movement that was once restricted to what central Canadians might call the redneck fringe, has managed to spread to westerners who are, in many cases, urbane, white collar and increasingly too young to be nursing any grudges over the National Energy Program. What’s more, sympathy for breaking up the country along east-west lines is no longer strictly something you’ll find in Alberta. More than ever, support for separation is growing all across the West.

That’s the conclusion of a Western Standard poll, which found that a record number of people in all four western provinces say they are willing to look at separating from the East. According to the poll, which was conducted in July, using random selection methods, 35.6 per cent of westerners agreed with the statement: "Western Canadians should begin to explore the idea of forming their own country." How serious is that? In Quebec, measures of separatist sentiment often find about 37 per cent of Quebecers endorsing independence (though, at times, the numbers have risen as high as 55 per cent, as was the case with a poll conducted by the newspaper La Presse in July)

The research, which was conducted by pollster Faron Ellis, a political science professor at the Lethbridge Community College, was commissioned by the Western Standard to determine how well the federal government under Prime Minister Paul Martin has been managing the issue of western alienation--something that Martin promised to reduce as part of his 2004 election campaign. It demonstrates the highest support level for separation ever recorded in any province. Historically, separatist sentiment has been estimated in Alberta to hover in the single digits. In fact, 42 per cent of Albertans now say they are willing to consider the idea of forming a new nation, independent of Ottawa. In Saskatchewan, 31.9 per cent expressed a willingness. Residents of B.C. and Manitoba were the least likely to say they would consider separation, but significant numbers in both provinces nevertheless expressed sympathy with the separatist cause: 30.8 per cent and 27.5 per cent, respectively. The poll was conducted around Canada Day, between June 29 and July 5, 2005, when sentiment for federation should have been running at its peak. It sampled 1,448 adults and had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.6 per cent, 19 times out of 20.

(Source: A nation torn apart, Kevin Steel, Western Standard, August 22, 2005

13 posted on 10/31/2005 10:30:27 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Interestingly enough Edmonton is considered as the most left-leaning and pro-federalist place anywhere in Alberta. But on a comparative scale it is still way to the right of Ontario's cities.


14 posted on 10/31/2005 10:31:55 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Republic of Texas

Maybe we should invite them to join the USA. The Canadians could have Vermont in exchange.


15 posted on 10/31/2005 10:32:01 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NZerFromHK

Alberta, we'd love to have ya! Our kind of folks and it would keep our hockey rivalries "in-house".


16 posted on 10/31/2005 10:32:45 PM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Republic of Texas; NZerFromHK
Republic of Alberta
17 posted on 10/31/2005 10:44:18 PM PST by Rytwyng
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To: RobbyS; Republic of Texas
Will Vermont's people, such as Howard Dean, willing to become monarchists in exchange for the "liberty" to try socialism in full? ;-p

All new members of parliament need to make an oath like this:

I, (the name), do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors. So help me God.

Hehehe...

18 posted on 10/31/2005 10:45:21 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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Todd Babiak, another young hero to south Edmonton's hoary artistic set, wrote:

Personally, I would prefer it if the provincial government were to invest my $300 in the new Edmonton Art Gallery


Memo to Todd Babiak - nothing's going to stop you from writing a $300 cheque to the Edmonton Art Gallery. I'm sure they'd cash it. Stop trying to force other to give money to some art gallery they might not support.
19 posted on 10/31/2005 10:53:56 PM PST by conservative in nyc
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To: pillbox_girl
"The conversation should have gone something like this:

Daughter: "When do I get my $400?"

Daddy: "When you start paying taxes."

Simple, to the point, and completely correct."

Don't forget that she IS paying taxes--anything she buys is already taxed heavily. I'm not disagreeing with your contention she should have been told to shut her yap, but I would have used this line instead:

"When you start paying my property tax bill and for my food and for my mortgage payment and for my insurance and for the various extras in my life...then I'll consider giving you a cut of any tax rebate cheques made out to me. Until then, go pound sand and wait for your inheritance, if I decide to leave you one after that greedy little remark--and if the Queen doesn't tax it right out of my hands anyway."

20 posted on 10/31/2005 10:59:48 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (ALITO! Nice Call! Lookin' good, Dubya!)
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