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[Oz]Police told to respect traditions
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | 25 October 2005 | Liam Houlihan

Posted on 10/30/2005 10:52:10 PM PST by Lorianne

POLICE are being advised to treat Muslim domestic violence cases differently out of respect for Islamic traditions and habits.

Officers are also being urged to work with Muslim leaders, who will try to keep the families together. Women's groups are concerned the politically correct policing could give comfort to wife bashers and keep their victims in a cycle of violence.

The instructions come in a religious diversity handbook given to Victorian police officers that also recommends special treatment for suspects of Aboriginal, Hindu and Buddhist background.

Some police officers have claimed the directives hinder enforcing the law equally.

Police are told: "In incidents such as domestic violence, police need to have an understanding of the traditions, ways of life and habits of Muslims."

They are told it would be appreciated in cases of domestic violence if police consult the local Muslim religious leader who will work against "fragmenting the family unit".

Islamic Women's Welfare Council head Joumanah El Matrah called the guidelines appalling and dangerous.

"The implication is one needs to be more tolerant of violence against Muslim women but they should be entitled to the same protection," Ms El Matrah said.

"Police should not be advising other officers to follow those sorts of protocols.

"It can only lead to harm."

Ms El Matrah said Muslim leaders should be brought into domestic violence investigations only if requested by the abused woman.

The guide also advises officers not to hold interviews with Aboriginal suspects or set court hearings during Aboriginal ceremonies involving "initiation, birth, death, burials, mourning periods, women's meetings and cultural ceremonies in general".

They are told to interview Baha'i suspects only after sunset in the fasting month.

And they are cautioned that when a Sikh is reading the Sikh Holy Script -- a process that normally takes 50 hours -- "he should not be disturbed".

The 50,000 handbooks instruct police to take shoes off before entering Buddhist and Hindu houses and mosques, and remove hats before entering or searching churches.

They are warned that taking photos or samples from Aboriginal suspects could raise fears they could be used for sorcery and spiritual mischief.

Australasian Police Multicultural Advisory Bureau head Gerard Daniells, who created the 82-page full-colour handbook, said common sense would prevail over the guide in an emergency.

Mr Daniells said the next edition would include Maori spiritual beliefs and practices.

The glossy guides would have cost at least $300,000 to produce, a printing industry expert said.

Police Association secretary Paul Mullet said members had an appreciation of different cultures but their overriding concern was for safety of the community.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: australasia; australia; islam; multiculturalism; newzealand

1 posted on 10/30/2005 10:52:10 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Ahh, the wonders of Multiculturalism.


2 posted on 10/30/2005 10:53:28 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: NZerFromHK; GMMAC; fanfan

And your response is?

This question is coming from a Canadian, whose countrymen you've been deriding and slagging for the last few weeks about "PC".....


3 posted on 10/30/2005 11:03:07 PM PST by Don W (Stress is when you wake up screaming, and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: dfwgator

SWEET EH?

They leave some third world nation to go somewheres better...to be a part of that better life ~like some want to be americans

and they end up diluting where they go, invasive to the point of majority.... congratulations.

this is how you build enclaves within and destroy nations


4 posted on 10/30/2005 11:04:14 PM PST by jackson29
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To: Lorianne
To heck with Mooslimb culture. This is so stupid. In this country you better have a good reason for beating on someone or you go to jail.
5 posted on 10/30/2005 11:08:48 PM PST by PositiveCogins
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To: Lorianne

Sorry. Forgot it was down under.


6 posted on 10/30/2005 11:09:46 PM PST by PositiveCogins
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To: Lorianne

By all means, officers, dip your ammunition in bacon grease.


7 posted on 10/30/2005 11:10:44 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Don W; Fair Go; Fred Nerks; Aussie Dasher; Dundee; naturalman1975; Piefloater

It is now work time! Formulate our response to Canadian challenges to this news.


8 posted on 10/30/2005 11:10:50 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: Don W

"This question is coming from a Canadian, whose countrymen you've been deriding and slagging for the last few weeks about "PC"....."

Bwwwhahaha, this is from the state of Victoria, which I last recall, its capital is in a city called Melbourne, which is referred to by Aussies as the Toronto of Australia.

Yep, the state where the ALP Left thrives and the current Premier is a famous Labor left-winger Steve Bracks. The current Police Commissioner is famous for as being visibly seen in various politically leftist activist functions.


9 posted on 10/30/2005 11:14:06 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Alberta independentists to Canada (read: Ontario and Quebec): One hundred years is long enough)
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To: PositiveCogins

No matter where it's happening, IT'S STILL HAPPENING!

The moon-worshippers are HERE, THERE, and EVERYWHERE! They have ONE goal, and you know what they want.

DEAL with it.


10 posted on 10/30/2005 11:14:12 PM PST by Don W (Stress is when you wake up screaming, and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: Don W

A search in Paddy McGuinness archive found this:




Come on, can't a sheila (and her sheep) take a joke?

by Padraic P. McGuinness

Sydney Morning Herald, 20 September 2001

...

There is a harder edge, a tougher minded approach to many issues in Sydney compared with Melbourne. There you tend to get more of the politics of the warm inner glow, along with pretensions to intellectual, cultural and moral superiority. Typically, the Fabian Society - wishy-washy socialism for idealistic and ineffectual intellectuals - flourishes there while it never did in Sydney. There is a similar difference between Sydney and New Zealand. Wellington is rather like a Canberra recruited entirely from the ranks of Melbourne school teachers. Not surprisingly, the NZ economy is in trouble when such people are in government.

...

The do-gooders in New Zealand are, as in Melbourne, much more determined to get things wrong so they will feel good inside than are the majority of Australians, , so they have set up disastrous institutions like the Waitangi Tribunal which fritter money away on compensation for past wrongs in such a way as to make the present day situation even worse. They are still strongly affected by old-fashioned pacifism, so they think that they need not spend money on their own defence. Traditional hardware may indeed not be the answer but, as recent events have demonstrated, spending on intelligence and counter-terrorism is likely to be the key to national security in the future.



11 posted on 10/30/2005 11:42:44 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Canuck-baiting is enjoyable: turning the tables on the Canadians with moral superiority)
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To: NZerFromHK

"Yep, the state where the ALP Left thrives and the current Premier is a famous Labor left-winger Steve Bracks..."

Who is himself the descendant of Lebanese immigrants; probably trying to suck up to the muslims because -

The New Anti-Terror Laws in Australia
Anyone supporting the insurgency in Iraq or Afghanistan faces possible jail sentence


by Maz Bukhari

October 14, 2005
GlobalResearch.ca


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Anti-Terror Laws or “TERRORIST” Laws

Jail Term for ILL WILL & OBJECTORS

Anyone supporting the insurgency in Iraq, Afghanistan or any country where Australian troops are deployed could face a penalty of 7 years' jail under the new terrorism laws.

Control orders of unlimited duration, secret preventive detention, the monitoring of lawyers, and life imprisonment for funding terrorist organisations are also suggested under the new laws.

The draft legislation, disclosed by Greens yesterday, details the far-reaching security regime proposed by John Howard for "very dangerous and difficult and threatening circumstances" in the wake of the London bombings.

New sedition offences will put big constraints on anti-war protests, familiar since the Vietnam era, and come down hard on those advocating violence against any religious, national or political group.

Those charged with sedition can argue they were acting "in good faith" but it is unclear how the courts will interpret this.

The bill sets out new federal police powers to detain terrorist suspects for up to 24 hours, and up to 48 hours with the approval of a judge or magistrate. Suspects will get access to a lawyer to challenge the detention order in a court or complain of maltreatment

Police do not need to give suspects or their lawyers reasons for the detentions and can monitor lawyers. All conversations lawyers have with their clients must be in English or translated into English for the police. Police are prohibited from questioning the detainees but that ban does not apply to ASIO officers.

Last month the states agreed to allow extensions of up to 14 days for detentions when a terrorist act is believed imminent. The suspect must then be released if no terrorist act occurs.

Detentions are secret but suspects are allowed to contact a family member or employers to say they are safe but, "not able to be contacted for the time being". If they disclose the detention they can be jailed for up to five years.

Under the bill, the Government can apply to a court for control orders on terrorist suspects who have not been charged. These orders include house arrest, preventing them using the telephone or internet and restricting their social contacts and work opportunities. Suspects can also be fitted with tracking devices.

The suspect's lawyer can be shown the control order but not necessarily the evidence or reasons behind it.

The orders can last up to 12 months and can then be renewed any number of times.

Persons under control orders may be given "counselling or education" if they agree.

The bill does limit to three months control orders on those aged between 16 and 18.

Also contained in the legislation are wide-ranging search powers that will compel the production of any documents relating to "any serious offence", regardless of any laws protecting privacy or legal privilege.,

The new laws are to be debated this month, after the Labor premiers agreed to their broad outline at the recent terrorism summit in Canberra.

The proposed laws have been strongly criticised by human rights lawyers and some Muslim leaders, who have described them as draconian.

Sweeping new anti-terror laws include a plan to jail people for up to seven years for promoting feelings of "ill will" or hostility between different groups that would threaten the peace.

As John Howard yesterday defended the measures, the federal Government was angered by ACT Chief Minister Jon Stanhope's decision to publish the 107-page draft bill on his website.

Surprising legal experts with the scope and definition of terrorist acts, the laws would also make it a criminal offence to support a terrorist act, directly or indirectly.

However, elements of the terrorism advocacy provisions are expected to be watered down after a backbench revolt over the draconian laws...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUK20051014&articleId=1079




12 posted on 10/30/2005 11:43:21 PM PST by Fred Nerks (See my bio page for link to pdf download; THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD.)
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To: Don W; naturalman1975

Hi Don W, see post 12, and also this bit from another thread from naturalman1975:




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482446/posts?page=38#38

"More seriously - yes, the general political makeup of Melbourne is more left wing that other Australian capital cities certainly - but a significant proportion of Australia's conservative establishment are active here - those who were educated in the APS are generally conservative (even the Labor Party members among them are conservative on many issues) and we have influence. Numbers aren't everything - quite small groups in the right places can have a lot of influence even surrounded by large numbers of lefties.

"In many ways, Melbourne is a conservative city that just happens to have a lot of lefties living in it."



13 posted on 10/30/2005 11:48:00 PM PST by NZerFromHK (Canuck-baiting is enjoyable: turning the tables on the Canadians with moral superiority)
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To: NZerFromHK

Now that made me laugh out loud, in such raucous manner as to awaken my tenants!

My God, man, you really DO have SOME of the political situation here sussed.

Yup, hand me another Tuborg.

Good friends, good beer, Wellingtons and sheep.

Good night, and pleasant dreams.


14 posted on 10/30/2005 11:53:26 PM PST by Don W (Stress is when you wake up screaming, and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: NZerFromHK

I am sure as long as the Muslims go about their business and aren't involved with terrorist organisations the Aussies couldn't give a damn. Aussies come in a variety of shapes and sizes. However if anyone had the audacity to say that Americans had 9/11 coming, the overwhelming majority of Australians would be outraged.


15 posted on 10/31/2005 12:04:02 AM PST by Fair Go (Sir Less Patterson for Ambassador to Canada)
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To: NZerFromHK

The closest you will get to anything marching naked in Melbourne is when the past winners of the Melbourne Cup parade the day before the running of the great race. Even the horses have the decency to wear a saddle and bridle.


16 posted on 10/31/2005 12:20:37 AM PST by Fair Go (Sir Less Patterson for Ambassador to Canada)
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To: Fair Go

I was actually thinking about Gay Pride parades when I wrote that. I don't think even that lady is stupid enough to join in the leftist mobs in Melbourne.


17 posted on 10/31/2005 12:22:55 AM PST by NZerFromHK (Canuck-baiting is enjoyable: turning the tables on the Canadians with moral superiority)
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To: Lorianne
Seemingly we're being offered a choice here akin to one between two cancerous or sexually transmitted diseases.

The principled position is that all should be equal before the law - which plainly isn't the track record of the radical feminists and what's become a publicly funded 'domestic violence industry' within most jurisdictions.

Given that a raft of well-documented evidence which indicates that violence is a societal - rather than gender-based - problem, authentic conservatives support any and all initiatives aimed at strengthening the conventional family and reject all those playing into the hands of its enemies through the promotion of acrimony between the sexes and - typically so called 'reverse' - discrimination.

Please note: this is also essentially the position of the Catholic and other Christian Churches.
18 posted on 10/31/2005 8:10:46 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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