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Scooter And Sandy (Joseph Farah Raps Perjury Double Standard Alert)
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| October 31, 2005
| Joseph Farah
Posted on 10/30/2005 10:32:30 PM PST by goldstategop
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Has any one noticed the double standard between the perjury cases of Lewis "Scooter" Libby and Bill Clinton? As Joseph points out, we're told lying to reporters is a far more serious crime than lying to a judge and jury about one's sexual conduct. You gotta laugh at this. Clinton skated for obstructing justice and Libby faces 30 years in prison for lying to reporters. Doesn't this seem excessive to you? You betcha! And don't forget our old friend Sandy Berger, who walked away with a slap on the wrist for stealing official documents from the National Archives. Now, I'm for every one following the same rules. But Patrick Fitzgerald just lied to the public about equal treatment under the law. Unequal justice is more like what Libby's facing. And there's nothing fair about that when you consider that whereas the lie Clinton told subverted justice and robbed Paula Jones for her right to a fair trial - Libby's alleged lie harmed no one. What makes it all the more ironic is liberals defended Clinton's lie by trivializing the nature of his lie even as they appear set to exaggerate the utter inconsequentiality of the alleged lie said to be uttered by Libby. So as Farah says, "So where for heaven's sake, is the proportionality?" We're going to throw the book at Libby and let other officials, whose crimes were far more serious, escape accountability for them. So much for assuring the rule of law.
("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")
To: goldstategop
And Hillary still has 900+ FBI files and a lot of sworn people have abandoned their oaths and done absolutly nothing to support justice in this one. Bad, Bad, Bad. what's so special about this traitor that so many good men will do nothing?
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:39:28 PM PST
by
Waco
To: goldstategop
Libby's not charged with lying to reporters. He's charged with lying to the FBI and a grand jury about conversations he had with reporters and whether he remembered he knew about Plame's CIA ties from official (presumably classified) sources at the time of those conversations. Lying to the FBI and a grand jury is a crime. Lying to the media is usually not.
Patrick Fitzgerald hasn't lied about anything.
And just because Libby's charged with crimes that can put you in jail for up to 30 years doesn't mean Libby will receive a 30 year sentence if convicted.
To: goldstategop
His presentation to the nation Friday was professional and persuasive.
Farah steps in it. Again.
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:41:55 PM PST
by
Terpfen
(Libby should hire Phoenix Wright.)
To: goldstategop
His point about the Bush Justice dept. letting Berger skate is so true and really irks me. From day one, the Bushies played nice with the democrats in the foolish belief this will be reciprocated. Not giving a crap about the truth, or the rule of law, or what conservatives believe to be ethical, rational, norms. They will pay in one form or another.
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:43:25 PM PST
by
spyone
To: Waco
Yep. Don't forget Hillary escaped indictment for lying about her law firm's records and her under-handed dealings in cattle futures. 30 years for what Libby said is way excessive - I mean if it turns out he did lie, give him the same treatment Clinton and his cronies received, which is to say a walk. After all murderers in prison spend less time in prison than Libby would and I don't think there's any one who considers the kind of sentence the government wants him to get for his alleged lie to be proportional to the nature of the offense.
("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:44:04 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: conservative in nyc
The prosecution's case in chief is based on its star MSM witnesses. It contends they told the truth and Libby lied. It depends on whom you choose to believe. Sure, Libby told the FBI and Grand Jury a different version of events but differences of recollection don't usually add up to a lie. Fitzgerald has lied about equal treatment under the law. Can you name one prominent Clinton official in jail? I think it speaks for itself.
("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:48:49 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: spyone
Believe me, I think President Bush finally woke up on this. Mark my words to the end of his term, it's gonna be hardball, starting with the Supreme Court nomination.
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:50:33 PM PST
by
ONETWOONE
(onetwoone)
To: goldstategop
"Is anyone else struck with the contrast between these two prosecutions?"
By the contrast yes but still it's no surprise. Scooter Libby takes a dive and thats the end of the investigation.
Just like Burglar, small investigation, slap on the wrist and it all goes away. Will we ever find out who the leak was? No. Will we ever find out what documents Burglar destroyed? No. We will never see the bottom of either of these investigations because the fix is in.
Burglar was a sacrifice for Clinton and Libby was a sacrifice for Bush.
To: goldstategop
All this pompous ranting about rule of law is bunk. Between prosecutorial discretion and judicial activism how can anyone take any of it seriously? there are probably hundreds of murder victims in DC whose cases are never even investigated, and we waste money on nonsense.
To: ONETWOONE
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posted on
10/30/2005 10:57:02 PM PST
by
spyone
To: spyone
"From day one, the Bushies played nice with the democrats in the foolish belief this will be reciprocated."
I don't think so. I think they got some dirt on him. I think he had to cave to the dims. If it's not him then it's his dad.
To: ONETWOONE
Believe me, I think President Bush finally woke up on this. Mark my words to the end of his term, it's gonna be hardball, starting with the Supreme Court nomination.Nah, he'll probably have Fitz over for popcorn and a movie. NEW TONE.
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posted on
10/30/2005 11:15:51 PM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
(Peace Begins in the Womb)
To: PositiveCogins
I don't think so. I think they got some dirt on him. I think he had to cave to the dims. If it's not him then it's his dad.Perhaps.
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posted on
10/30/2005 11:16:24 PM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
(Peace Begins in the Womb)
To: goldstategop
The prosecution's case in chief is based on its star MSM witnesses. It contends they told the truth and Libby lied. It depends on whom you choose to believe.
Not entirely. Even if a jury concludes Libby was not lying about the contents of his conversations with Russert and Cooper, Libby's lawyers need to argue that Libby wasn't lying when he said he didn't RECALL that he heard Plame's CIA ties from administration sources while he was speaking to Russert. The prosecution will argue that Libby must have remembered because he told Ari Fleisher and others about Plame's CIA ties a week or so before he spoke with Russert.
Fitzgerald has lied about equal treatment under the law. Can you name one prominent Clinton official in jail?
Currently in jail? No, But:
-Webster Hubbell went to jail for his dealings with the Rose Law Firm.
-The McDougalls went to jail for their role in Whitewater.
-Clinton HUD Secretary Cisneros pled guilty to a misdemeanor in connection with lying to the FBI about amounts paid to his mistress before, during and after his confirmation background check. He would have faced up to
100 years in prison, if convicted on all counts.
-Clinton Agriculture Secretary Espy was indicted in the Tyson Foods bribery probe but found not guilty at trial. He would have faced over
100 years in prison if convicted on all counts.
Last I checked, Scooter Libby hasn't been convicted of anything, is innocent until proven guilty, and hasn't been sent to prison. And 30 years is 70 less than 100.
I stand by my statement. Fitzgerald hasn't lied about anything.
To: conservative in nyc
I think you have it about right. Here is my response to the Lanny Davis article:
"I don't remember ever worrying about whether the facts that I felt were public knowledge might have been classified. But even if I had, I would probably have rationalized that anything I had heard on the grapevine couldn't possibly be a state secret. If every political aide was prosecuted for those kinds of conversations with the press corps, I'm afraid there wouldn't be enough jails to hold us."
Davis expressed an essential truth here. The entire rationale fueling the media frenzy over the outing of Valerie Plane came from the left' s allegations that the administration {Acting in furtherence of a CONSPIRACY] willfully damaged national security to cover lies which wrongly justified our going to war. Now that fuel is completely out of the tank. No one has been indicted for jeopardizing national security in any way. No one has been indicted for revealing the name of a CIA agent. Karl Rove has not been indicted at all. And the only man indicted, Libby, has been indicted for allegedly lying about who "first" told him that the CIA agent in question, although not covert, was in fact a CIA agent. Libby has testified he was so informed by press reporters but notes of conversations indicate the source of his knowledge might have come from an official in the state Department or from the vice president. It doesn't matter a whit. There are no national security implications in either alternative. Twist as it will, the left cannot make a scandal of this.
Middle America will scratch its head when it becomes aware that this entire flap has been reduced to alleged perjury about the source of an innocent fact. Davis sees that now, so he is attempting to show his fellow Democrats a path to the higher ground before middle American gets really angry that there was so much ado about nothing and begins to resent those who manufactured this flap.
With all the fuel gone the scandal, which never was a scandal, will quickly fade from the popular consciousness. While I do not agree with the armchair defense lawyers on this thread who believe that the prosecutor has no case, I do believe that he has no [grave]crime -that is, he has a technical violation which at worst is a knowing misstatement of a inmaterial and inconsequential innocent fact. How long will the judge sentence Scooter Libby to jail for such an innocuous act?
I believe the corner has been turned for the Bush administration. He will appoint a rock ribbed conservative and the battle will be joined in the Senate which the administration will win even if it loses the battle over a given nominee. The Democrats will be shown it to be filibusterers and obstructionists, characteristics which cost them Senate seats in the last elections. Bush needs only to put up a man or a woman with first-class legal credentials without worry over ideology providing the nominee has an originalist ideology. Then let the Democrats bring it on.
Before the next by elections the administration will begin to build down troops in Iraq as Iraqi forces are built up and the political situation there continues to improve with the election of new leaders in December. The administration must only show that there is a plan for the ultimate success in Iraq but it need not actually achieve that success before the election a year away.
The president has already signaled that he is changing course and will pull his head out of the sand on the issue of immigration. If he does not wobble and persists in this course he will further shore up the base and steal a huge potential issue from Hillary and the other Democrats.
There remains only for the administration to couple its campaign for permanent tax cuts with meaningful spending limits. If that is offered the whole of the country will respond because we have a booming economy. What we don't have as a booming voice in the bully pulpit. Somehow, George Bush has got to learn how to tell his side of the story.
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posted on
10/31/2005 12:22:21 AM PST
by
nathanbedford
(Lose your borders, lose your citizenship; lose your citizenship, lose your Bill of Rights)
To: ONETWOONE
I'll mark those words just in case you need to eat them for breakfast. Or lunch if Bush is late on naming his SCOTUS nominee today. :)
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posted on
10/31/2005 12:22:59 AM PST
by
newzjunkey
(CA: YES on Prop 73-77! Unions outspending Arnold 3:1, HELP: http://www.joinarnold.com)
To: PositiveCogins
Will we ever find out who the leak was? No. Just a second there! We seem to have found out it was Libby. Fitzgerald said Scooter was the first administration official to reveal the Plame information to the press.
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posted on
10/31/2005 12:24:56 AM PST
by
newzjunkey
(CA: YES on Prop 73-77! Unions outspending Arnold 3:1, HELP: http://www.joinarnold.com)
To: ClaireSolt
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posted on
10/31/2005 12:25:47 AM PST
by
newzjunkey
(CA: YES on Prop 73-77! Unions outspending Arnold 3:1, HELP: http://www.joinarnold.com)
To: Terpfen
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posted on
10/31/2005 12:26:32 AM PST
by
freedumb2003
(Let's tear down the observatory so we never get hit by a meteor again!)
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