[cowboyway]

President Lyndon B. Johnson cited the supposed attack to persuade Congress

Hell, everybody knows that LBJ was crooked as a dogs hind leg, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.

[exit82]

The incidents about Vietnam that cast doubt are the ones referring to John Kerry's medals.

[Andy from Beaverton]

Did you know I was in Vietnam?
Let me tell you what happened...

[baseball_fan]

[...they involved discrepancies between the official N.S.A. version of the events of Aug. 4, 1964, and intercepts from N.S.A. listening posts at Phu Bai in South Vietnam and San Miguel in the Philippines that are in the agency archives.

One issue, for example, was the translation of a phrase in an Aug. 4 North Vietnamese transmission. In some documents the phrase, "we sacrificed two comrades" - an apparent reference to casualties during the clash with American ships on Aug. 2 - was incorrectly translated as "we sacrificed two ships." That phrase was used to suggest that the North Vietnamese were reporting the loss of ships in a new battle Aug. 4, the intelligence official said.

The original Vietnamese version of that intercept, unlike many other intercepts from the same period, is missing from the agency's archives, the official said.

The intelligence official said the evidence for deliberate falsification is "about as certain as it can be without a smoking gun - you can come to no other conclusion."]

> The fact that the original Vietnamese version of the intercept is missing while many of the other intercepts for the same time period are there looks doubly suspicious.

[JmyBryan]

This article is crap. Ridiculously slanted.

[Criminal Number 18F]

Do I have this wrong, or is the NYT here trying to use anonymous sources to frame dead NSA officers -- in order to rehabilitate the weakling of the 1960s, LBJ?

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[nickcarraway]

I hope Bill O'Reilly et al apoligize.

[backhoe]

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident, Early provocation, or early example of "spin..."

[boomop1]

I knew the sonar operator on one of the destroyer's and he said they didn't know if they were shooting at each other or what was happening. It was a royal cluster f..., like a monkey trying to f a coconut. Johnson, the crook made it what it was, an opportunity at hand he could use to reinforce his in his own plan to escalate.

[donozark]

For decades the N. Vietnamese kept the torpedo tubes used to launch the first strike against US ships in their museum in Hanoi. They bragged about such...

However, much confusion exists. US was inserting S. Vietnamese Special Ops troops along coast of N. Vietnam. Some were using "Nasty Boats" made in Norway. Regular Navy not clued in as to Special ops and type of boats used. Much confusion. Fog of war and all that.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Well it's official, the press is no longer trying to making the Iraqi War look like the Vietnam War. Instead, the press' new tactic is to lie/alter evidense to make the Vietnam War look like their warped view of the Iraqi War.

[ASA Vet]

MI Ping

One of several anti-NSA articles lately.

[NY Attitude]

Take a look see.

[VOA]

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