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Fires Of 'Civil War' Erupts In Paris
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 10-30-2005 | Jason Burke

Posted on 10/30/2005 5:06:42 PM PST by blam

Fires of 'civil war' erupt in Paris

Police in street battles after two teenagers die in chase

Jason Burke in Paris
Sunday October 30, 2005
The Observer (UK)

Hundreds of French youths fought with police and set cars ablaze in a northern Paris suburb early yesterday morning in a second successive night of rioting.

The disorder was triggered last week when two teenagers were electrocuted and killed in a local substation while fleeing from police. French authorities insist they were running away from officers investigating a break-in, but people in Clichy-sous-Bois claim that the dead youths had committed no crime.

Yesterday afternoon a silent march was held to the town hall in the centre of the suburb. Many protesters wore T-shirts bearing the message: 'Dead for Nothing'.

'We respect the republic, said Siako Karne, the brother of one of the dead men. 'The republic has to respect us.'

Firefighters extinguished more than 30 burning cars and dozens of dustbins pushed into makeshift barricades on Friday night and Saturday morning as running battles in the streets of the north-eastern suburb pitted more than 200 riot police against scores of hooded youths. At least one shot was fired at the police, 19 people were detained and 15 officers and one journalist injured, an official spokesman said.

An officer from police trade union Action Police CFTC called for help from the army to support police officers. 'There's a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,' Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. 'My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting.'

Clichy-sous-Bois is home to 28,300 people a large number of whom are recent immigrants from North or Central Africa. Most live in rundown, low-rise public housing estates. Unemployment rates are among the highest in France and many locals see the police as 'the enemy'.

Claude Dilain, Socialist mayor of the suburb, called for an 'efficient, rapid and transparent investigation' into the deaths of the two teenagers. A relative of one of the dead youths, who were identified by local media as 15-year-old Banou and 17-year-old Ziad, said that the two were among nine boys were playing football and 'doing nothing wrong'. 'But one of them did not have an identity card, and so they were scared when they saw the police and ran,' she said.

According to the mayor, 'no particular recent tension' preceded the riots.

The violence has focused attention once more on France's Interior Minster, Nicholas Sarkozy. Sarkozy, whose law and order policies have drawn frequent criticism from human rights groups, launched a new offensive against crime this month, ordering specially trained police to tackle 25 tough neighbourhoods in cities across France.

Delphine Batho, the opposition Socialist Party security spokesperson, called for 'serious answers' to the questions raised by the violence.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civil; cristalsemaine; erupt; fires; jailchirac; muslims; paris; trop; war
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To: ReaganLegion

If they are not careful, they will lose their audience.


21 posted on 10/30/2005 5:17:08 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Chickensoup

I would be happy if they called them North Africans.


22 posted on 10/30/2005 5:17:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL


23 posted on 10/30/2005 5:17:57 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: ReaganLegion

Representatives of the Muslim community at the procession appealed for calm and dignity.


Appealing to other Moozies?


24 posted on 10/30/2005 5:19:25 PM PST by Chickensoup (Turk...turk...turk....turk....turk...turkey!!!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek
"At least you aren't calling them Moors."

How about "Muhammedans?"

25 posted on 10/30/2005 5:19:46 PM PST by Neanderthal
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To: Chickensoup

There are more, or at least as many, Sub-Saharan black Africans of all different religions in Paris and it's suburbs compared to Arab/North African Muslims. At least, that's the strong impression I got in my last trip. I think that's who is involved in this latest incident. Either way, France isn't going to look like France for to much longer. . .


26 posted on 10/30/2005 5:19:51 PM PST by Catphish
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To: blam

Why do they like to burn cars? I’d be right angered in mine was torched.


27 posted on 10/30/2005 5:19:51 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: blam
The violence has focused attention once more on France's Interior Minster, Nicholas Sarkozy.

Sarkozy is France's Rudy. He is tough and hated by the Islamists in France. His grandfather is Jewish and, a practising Christian, he is of Romanian and Greek descent.

Hard to imagine the next real leader in the war against Islam might be French.

He looks a little like Krauthammer...


28 posted on 10/30/2005 5:20:14 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: blam

Are the Muslims playing their hand too soon? After all, they are only about 10% of the population.


29 posted on 10/30/2005 5:21:00 PM PST by Gritty ("There are no 'civilians'. You are either the House Of War or the House Of Islam - Hani Al-Siba’i)
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To: blam

Perhaps an internal conflict precipitated by an alien invasion, in a Western country will wake up America?


30 posted on 10/30/2005 5:22:34 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RobbyS
Hey, I don't see any black berets or those fancy black and white striped shirts in any of the pictures! What's going on in France these days?



People walk in silence in the northern Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois in tribute to two boys, aged 14 and 16, who died when they scaled a wall of an electrical relay station and fell against a transformer.



View of burned cars in a car park after riots erupted between youths and security forces early Friday Oct. 28, 2005, in the Clichy-Sous-Bois suburb of Paris, France. Hundreds of angry youths went on the rampage early Friday.



Clichy-Sous-Bois residents gather in the street during a demonstration for the peace, Saturday, Oct. 29, 2005, after riots erupted between youths and security forces in the Clichy-Sous-Bois suburb of Paris, France, during the night.
31 posted on 10/30/2005 5:23:16 PM PST by ReaganLegion
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To: chris1

Hate to point out the obvious, but the Barbarian" invasions" were really just migrations across borders by partially romanized peoples.


32 posted on 10/30/2005 5:24:14 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: chris1

Hate to point out the obvious, but the Barbarian" invasions" were really just migrations across borders by partially romanized peoples.


33 posted on 10/30/2005 5:24:15 PM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam

So if the French have a civil war who surrenders first?


34 posted on 10/30/2005 5:24:42 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: blam

Found this earlier http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=3521


35 posted on 10/30/2005 5:28:24 PM PST by mmercier
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To: RobbyS

Kill em all and let allah sort them out.


36 posted on 10/30/2005 5:29:58 PM PST by JOHANNES801
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To: blam
Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. 'My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting.'

Butch up there, Michel.

The kids don't either, but they seem to be holding up their end of the riot, and selling t-shirts, to boot.

37 posted on 10/30/2005 5:32:52 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (Some settling of consonants may have occurred during transmittal.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
From history, it appears that France will lose against Muslims. From the Complete Military History of France website:
- Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

obligatory <satire> tag

38 posted on 10/30/2005 5:33:45 PM PST by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.-Adm H Rickover)
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To: blam

"'There's a civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,' Michel Thooris from Action Police CFTC, said. 'My colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical nor theoretical training for street fighting.' Clichy-sous-Bois is home to 28,300 people a large number of whom are recent immigrants from North or Central Africa. Most live in rundown, low-rise public housing estates. Unemployment rates are among the highest in France and many locals see the police as 'the enemy'."

Ahh, another tale from Europe's multicultural socialist paradise.


39 posted on 10/30/2005 5:34:46 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: blam
Hundreds of French youths fought with police and set cars ablaze in a northern Paris suburb early yesterday morning in a second successive night of rioting

Well we finally found someone the French are willing to fight.

Themselves. Guess they all just assumed the other side would do the French thing and run away.

40 posted on 10/30/2005 5:36:08 PM PST by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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