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To: livius

I don't think it was ever supposed to be a crime to lie... unless you were under oath.

And if they insist you DO talk to them as if you were under oath, you should always have 5th amendment protection.

This whole mess seemed to me to be somehow a way of getting around the fifth amendment.


8 posted on 10/30/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: djf

I think it will come down to the Hillary and Bill defense.
"I do not recall"
That is all he should have said.


22 posted on 10/30/2005 9:48:33 AM PST by Holicheese (Would you like a beer? No thanks, I will have a bud light.)
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To: djf
I don't think it was ever supposed to be a crime to lie... unless you were under oath.

And if they insist you DO talk to them as if you were under oath, you should always have 5th amendment protection.

This whole mess seemed to me to be somehow a way of getting around the fifth amendment.

Doesn't grand jury testimony involve taking the Oath? I thought it did. I heard that right to counsel does not apply, but I thought one could still take the Fifth unless the prosecutor gave a witness immunity. A prosecutor can't compel testimony in a grand jury room that he will use against the witness in open court - that's insane.

Heck, if nothing else, maybe this country will finally wake up to the abuses of the Grand Jury system. Too often, we think that only criminals get charged, and there's no sympathy for anyone ground under the heel of the District Attorneys, Attorneys General or the Justice Department.

Maybe now we see why the law is stacked on the side of the accused - it's too easy to politicize "justice." Criminals should be punished, but the state must have an extremely high burden to meet before the accused is found guilty.

43 posted on 10/30/2005 11:37:35 AM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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