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To: Congressman Billybob
Yes, and your post is the first to suggest that a good judge should NOT support a political agenda, conservative or liberal. This is why I think Roberts was a great choice.

Most of the posts suggest Roe v Wade is the only important question. A good conservative judge SHOULD believe in judicial restraint. No matter WHAT anyone thinks about the initial decision on Roe, it's now settled law. The court refused to review the initial decision about 6 months afterwords, and it reaffirmed the decision 20 years later.

Overturning Roe at this point would take the very judicial activism conservatives despise. I'm not a lawyer. Wouldn't it take a constitutional amendment to change this now?
93 posted on 10/30/2005 6:42:40 PM PST by j831526 (a Goldwater conservative)
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To: j831526
Wouldn't it take a constitutional amendment to change this now?

No, another USSC decison can overturn Roe. If stare decisis is carved in stone we would still be living under the Dredd Scott decision.

A decision that flies in the face of hundreds, if not thousands, of years of civilized western law and which has NO basis AT ALL in the text of the Constitution should and must be overturned.

94 posted on 10/30/2005 6:54:21 PM PST by epow ("The Lord is the strength of my life, of whom shall I be afraid"?)
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To: j831526

#####Overturning Roe at this point would take the very judicial activism conservatives despise.#####

Why do you say that? How is overturning an unconstitutional ruling "judicial activism"? You've been listening to Chuck Schumer & Arlen Specter's Orwellian argument that reversing judicial activism is itself judicial activism.


#####Wouldn't it take a constitutional amendment to change this now?#####


No, it wouldn't.


96 posted on 10/30/2005 7:01:23 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: j831526
No, it would not take a constitutional amendment to get rid of Roe v. Wade, Look at the history of Plessy v. Fergunson. Over six decades, the Court nibbled away at its holding that "separate but equal" was constitutional.

First the Court carved an exception for graduate schools, then public transportation, then for colleges, etc. Finally, it struck it down and reversed it for all remaining purposes. I expect a similar pattern here, that the Court will carve away at Roe for partial birth abortion, for parental notification, for interstate transportation for abortions, etc.

Of course, what I suggest will only happen after the NEXT appointment of a Justice, AFTER this one. The replacement of one of the hard-wired liberal-Democrat Justices.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "The Next Woman Nominated to the Supreme Court: This Time, No Death of a Thousand Cuts"

100 posted on 10/30/2005 7:10:25 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Do you think Fitzpartick resembled Captain Queeg, coming apart on the witness stand?)
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To: j831526

You're falling for the Left's attempt to redefine judicial activism. Overturning a past bad, constitutionally-unfounded decision like Roe is not activism at all. Doing away with an activist decision is not activism. It could only be honestly called activism if after overturning Roe, the justices then issed an edict banning abortions. But of course there is no thought that they would do that. Instead they would simply return the matter to where it belongs -- the states -- and would not mandate any outcome.

And don't fall for this nonsense about the importance of precedent. The pre-Roberts Sup Court had no such regard for precedent when it struck down state sodomy laws in Lawrence vs Texas, after upholding them less than 20 yrs earlier back in the late 80s. They had no regard for precedent when they struck down captial punishment for teenage minors, again, after having upheld it back in the 80s. In both of these cases, the law was 'settled' until the Sup Court decided they didn't like it.

So clearly, precedent only matters to this Sup Court when it protects a liberal decision, otherwise it should be tossed aside in favor of the changing values of society...as divined by the Sup Court.

And you are correct in that there is much speculation that Roberts will be some new type of SCOTUS judge, i.e. one who will be reluctant to overturn precedent, such as with Roe, but who will refrain from voting in favor of similarly absurd, unconstitutional decisions on other matters; or to put it another way, who would not support setting bad precedent on future issues, like say, gay marriage. In short, he would accep the damage that has been done, but would not contribute to future activism.

If this is truly Roberts, then he would be unique, because generally a pro-Roe judge is terrible on most other social/cultural issues. And that gets to your point about there being too much focus on Roe. You're right that it isn't the only important question, but it goes to a general question of judicial philosophy. You can find decisions by pro-Roe O'Connor and Kennedy where they didn't side with the Left on a social issues (the Boy Scouts case is the last one I can think of where the conservatives won), but generally, they seem to have become more liberal on these issues over time. Obviously, support for Roe doesn't denote support for other liberal positions, but a person inclined to support Roe is simply more likely to be of a mindset that supports similar activism on other issues. Do you doubt that O'Connor and Kennedy would vote to impose gay marriage/civil unions?


111 posted on 10/30/2005 7:52:59 PM PST by Aetius
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To: j831526
Overturning Roe at this point would take the very judicial activism conservatives despise.

No, it would overturn a notorious case of judicial activism.

119 posted on 10/31/2005 9:09:00 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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