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What's a Modern Girl to Do?
New York Times ^ | 30 October 2005 | Maureen Dowd

Posted on 10/30/2005 6:14:25 AM PST by shrinkermd

When I entered college in 1969, women were bursting out of theirs 50's chrysalis, shedding girdles, padded bras and conventions. The Jazz Age spirit flared in the Age of Aquarius. Women were once again imitating men and acting all independent: smoking, drinking, wanting to earn money and thinking they had the right to be sexual, this time protected by the pill. I didn't fit in with the brazen new world of hard-charging feminists. I was more of a fun-loving (if chaste) type who would decades later come to life in Sarah Jessica Parker's Carrie Bradshaw. I hated the grubby, unisex jeans and no-makeup look and drugs that zoned you out, and I couldn't understand the appeal of dances that didn't involve touching your partner. In the universe of Eros, I longed for style and wit. I loved the Art Deco glamour of 30's movies. I wanted to dance the Continental like Fred and Ginger in white hotel suites; drink martinis like Myrna Loy and William Powell; live the life of a screwball heroine like Katharine Hepburn, wearing a gold lamé gown cut on the bias, cavorting with Cary Grant, strolling along Fifth Avenue with my pet leopard.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: catherinezetajones; dowd; dowdy; feminism; hysterics; leftistloon; maureen; menopause; modo; moonbat; pms; women
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To: shrinkermd
I couldn't make it all the way through the article because it became apparent very early on, this was going to be nothing more than MO telling us about her 30 some years of therapy in trying to figure out why men don't like or want to be around her for very long. It's really very simple. The truth is, they don't want to be around her for very long because someone better keeps coming along, or worse, they'd prefer to be alone than be with MO. That will never be accepted by someone who continues to think they are better than everyone else, no matter how much evidence is presented to them to the contrary.

Mo might be better served by examining those women who are successful in both career and marriage. Catherine Zeta-Jones comes to mind.

61 posted on 10/30/2005 7:51:59 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Fintan

it is not fair....


62 posted on 10/30/2005 7:54:43 AM PST by wardaddy (It's Manana Again in America!)
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To: shrinkermd
I know physobabble when I read it and Dowd writes it.

I hope the NYT pays her less than their men writers, so she has a real complaint.

The women of my and her age, who are married are witty, smart and happy, the single, divorced ones are bitter, snarly and complainers just like her. Dowd and her sisters want to be married without giving up their single lifestyle.

63 posted on 10/30/2005 7:56:06 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: ModernAyn

Guess it depends on how these women want to define success. If they define success as being childless, loveless, bitter, and angry, then I think they need to re-think their priorities a bit. If not, they can live like Maureen Dowd, with a bottle of scotch in one hand and a duracell-powered lover in the other- blaming everyone else but themselves for the predicament they're in.


64 posted on 10/30/2005 7:59:01 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: shrinkermd
It took only a few decades to create a brazen new world where the highest ideal is to acknowledge your inner slut. I am woman; see me strip.

This was a fun line I thought.

65 posted on 10/30/2005 8:00:33 AM PST by Menehune56
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To: shrinkermd
La Dowd is not affording insight.

She is simply whining the whine of the aging and unindulged feminazi. Why would any man who is a man be caught dead being involved with, much less married to, the likes of Dowd. Would any man have any reason to imagine that the inconvenience of pregnancy for Dowd would not be likely to lead to the death by dismemberment in the womb of his offspring by her.

There is probably a class of men developing and burgeoning out there who have the attitude that feminazis are for casual and (highly protected) sexual use and real women are for marrying. Such men are certainly not ideal husbands (they think little of themselves, their casually used and usable women, or the roles of actual sexuality within human relationships) and they will have to compete for real women with the men who would not come within forty feet of Dowd with someone else's, ummmmm, boat oar.

66 posted on 10/30/2005 8:06:07 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: jimbo123

You miss her point: Men don't want relationships with smart, successful women. Too much of a threat to what's below their belts.


67 posted on 10/30/2005 8:06:42 AM PST by ModernAyn
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To: razorback-bert
I'm childless because I CAN"t have them and I'm divorced Because my husband of sixteen years found a younger co-worker more attractive. Stop you're generalizing.
68 posted on 10/30/2005 8:08:20 AM PST by BruceysMom ("Scott Peterson is such an amature!"-Michael Shiavo)
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To: ModernAyn
To the male posters on this thread: Are you trying to protect your "eggshell egos from high-achieving women?!"

I suspect I speak for most men when I say we're trying to find women who respect men in general. Too many women (Dowd is a primary example) constantly demean men and assume they carry the worst intentions, then can't understand why no man would put up with that BS. Men - just like women - expect to be treated with a modicum of decency. Yet there is a subset of the female population who thinks men should grovel for the chance to have a relationship with them, even in the face of repeated insults.

These problems persist across both genders, and the Mo Dowds and Carrie Bradshaws of the world are the tiny minority, but they do exist. Lucky for me, I've already found a good partner, and married her. I'm sorry to say that people like Dowd are unlikely to experience the same.

69 posted on 10/30/2005 8:08:21 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: ModernAyn

If Maureen Dowd had continued her attack on Bill Xlintoon after she started screwing Michael Douglas, then we would consider her a "high-achieving women". But she didn't.


70 posted on 10/30/2005 8:10:21 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: ModernAyn
.. To the male posters on this thread: Are you trying to protect your "eggshell egos from high-achieving women?!" ..

That's not the the main point. A man wants to feel that he can make a difference in a woman's life, that he can bring things that she would otherwise be without. One of these things is the role of (main) provider. If a woman has that covered, a man's reaction is typically "what does she need me for?"

And it's not just the man. The woman in the picture thinks that way also: if she is making $200k a year, she will not consider seriously a man who is 'only' making $100K.

And I have always wondered about this "frail male ego" stuff. Most women I know can be very hurt by a rude or cutting remark by the man in their life; why would men be any different?

71 posted on 10/30/2005 8:10:54 AM PST by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: shrinkermd
What's a Modern Girl to Do?

Well, a modern girl like Maureen Dowd could always get elected as a Democrat legislator, become a meth freak, and then whore around with various reporters and janitors. Of course, the modern girl should always take care that she doesn't get run over by a car driven by the jealous girlfriend of the janitor.


Democrat Legislator Kelley Wirth

72 posted on 10/30/2005 8:12:57 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ModernAyn
"You miss her point: Men don't want relationships with smart, successful women. Too much of a threat to what's below their belts."

It's not that they are smart, successful or whatever, it is simply a matter of undesirable return on investment.

Better to go through life wanting something you don't have than having something you don't want.

73 posted on 10/30/2005 8:15:59 AM PST by nightdriver
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To: shrinkermd
Thanks for getting me to read the entire article. FR has a problem with MO, but this article makes an excellent point.

The '60s and '70s did open up a lot of choices for women. A generation later, today's women see the consequences of those choices, and can make their own choices based on the new information. The women who would rather succeed in business than in childbearing can still make that choice, but now they know that it's more of an either-or (at least during the childbearing years) than a "have it all".

Fortunately, for women, they live longer than men, so they can start a brand-new life after having children, and still have 20, 30, or more years for a serious career. Nowadays, life really can begin (again) at 50.

74 posted on 10/30/2005 8:16:10 AM PST by AZLiberty (Winning isn't everything -- it's also about humiliating your opponent.)
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To: Tench_Coxe
"Or, she's too cheap to see a psychiatrist and has to work her problems out in her articles. Embarassing, really.
Many things she writes are better suited to be discussed with a counselor, not to be printed for the declining readership of the NYT."

Or, she has no ideas or real imagination, so this narcissistic preoccupation with self is the best she can muster when the deadline is due. Hey, she still gets paid no matter what drivel she spews and everyone in her adoring NY circle just back slaps one another and tells each other how "fabulous" they are on the "literary" cocktail party circuit. This is before they stab each other in the back, of course.
75 posted on 10/30/2005 8:16:30 AM PST by khnyny (all glory is fleeting)
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To: shrinkermd
I was wrong. Forty years after the dawn of feminism, the ideal of feminine beauty is more rigid and un..natural than ever.

...There...that's better.

....Actress Gene Tierney ,,,circa 1945.

76 posted on 10/30/2005 8:23:12 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: ModernAyn
Men don't want relationships with smart, successful women.

Many, many "smart, successful women" have become so by being competitors to men. They give off a vibe that triggers the competitive instinct in men around them...the same way another man would. He may treat her like one of his business associates or friends: joke around with her, tease her, maybe even go so far as to have sex with her - but he has an instinctive wariness about trusting that competitor with anything important, like his personal feelings.

There are good historical, biological, evolutionary reasons why we don't "communicate". Men never tell other men what they are feeling because they would be exposing a weakness to a potential competitor. When a woman puts herself within that competitor frame, he isn't going to tell her, either. And he's not likely to even consider marrying her - instead, he'll marry the non-competitive, supportive woman who may not be as successful, but who doesn't trigger that competitive instinct when he gets home after a full day of dealing with the same thing at the office.

I love Ayn Rand, too, BTW. ;)

77 posted on 10/30/2005 8:23:24 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (Speaking several languages is an asset; keeping your mouth shut in one is priceless.)
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To: shrinkermd
Unlike most here, I found the column interesting because she describes (and admits to) the trap (of feminist clap-trap)that a lot of her age fell into.

Being the Mo, of course, means looking a life in a rear view mirror, because you never see the real life going on around you because it's outside your bubble of think-alikes.

78 posted on 10/30/2005 8:24:47 AM PST by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: shrinkermd

Menopause is cruel.


79 posted on 10/30/2005 8:25:30 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: tet68

MO needs a double dose of Tom Sizemore. At least it would shut her yapper for a day or two...


80 posted on 10/30/2005 8:29:57 AM PST by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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