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What Congress Did Is Disgusting
Real Clear Politics ^ | October 26, 2005 | John Stossel

Posted on 10/29/2005 11:26:41 PM PDT by Tom87

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To: kublia khan
Rubbish!!!

Just who are you going to take up arms with and who are you going to shoot? Are you some frustrated terrorist?

21 posted on 10/30/2005 1:12:54 AM PDT by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: MPJackal

Unless you're under 14.


22 posted on 10/30/2005 1:14:58 AM PDT by YCTHouston
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To: RusIvan

"It is wrong. Reagan didn't win cold war."

Sure he did. Ever since, there's been not one decent espionage book.


23 posted on 10/30/2005 1:16:57 AM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: ThirstyMan

I'm not going to take up arms against anyone, I simply stated what I believe to be the truth. I'm not in favor of it but the increasing stratification of American culture cannot be ignored and there seems to be no instrument to stop it.


24 posted on 10/30/2005 1:18:25 AM PDT by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Ruth C
"The US is no longer a country with government of/for/by the people."

The US seems to be under the control of childish polititions, aided my the tantrum throwing leftist media.
I am happy not to be there now, and question if I will ever return.
I will be happy to spend my remaining days wandering the world, and ignoring PC and stupid and corrupt politicians.

My home city of Memphis is now run by morons that are so stupid, they do not even know how to get away with their own crimes and corruption.
25 posted on 10/30/2005 1:44:11 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava)
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To: Tom87

These people are shameless...


26 posted on 10/30/2005 1:20:42 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! --kellynla)
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To: blam
"Reagan did the same thing."

Nice try at rewriting history, sorry, but I was around back then. Reagan was for smaller government (not like Bush), and lower taxes, and less spending.

He made a deal with the Dem’s that if he cut the tax rates, they would cut spending.

A lot more money came in the treasury due to the tax cuts, and the Dem’s went spending crazy (like Bush).

He did not have line idem veto.
27 posted on 10/30/2005 1:30:56 AM PST by liliesgrandpa (The Republican Party simply can't do anything without that critical 100-seat Senate majority.)
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To: mc6809e

Why would Alaska want the dough spent on a bridge, which they can't eat, which can't care for their illnesses, which won't educate them? If there must be largesse surely there are smarter things to put the largesse towards.


28 posted on 10/30/2005 1:36:20 AM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: gondramB
"Twaddlizing?"

I thought that was when you put that wad of cotton in a bottle of pills.

29 posted on 10/30/2005 2:08:07 AM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: mc6809e
People are voting themselves money.

I think you've gotten it in one. It's gotten to the point that the number of people who benefit from federal handouts exceed the number who pay for them. The result is that voters have an interest in maintaining the status quo when it comes to federal programs.

About 20 years ago, the "throw the bums out" mentality had national-level term limits at the forefront of many discussions. But when polling organizations dug into it, what became clear was that everybody wanted someone else's bum thrown out, as long as their own bum was bringing home the gravy.

As far as I'm concerned, if you receive government money, or you don't pay taxes, you should have no say concerning spending legislation. But that wouldn't be democratic. "The people" would have less power. Less power to steal from taxpayers, that is.

You seem to be getting close to Heinlein's propostion -- that to vote, a person must be a citizen, and to become a citizen, that person must contribute to the public good in some way that demonstrates he or she is able and willing to put public good ahead of personal gain. It seems that idea would eliminate about 90 pct of our current political representation (except McCain, but then maybe we could put in a "stupid clause").

30 posted on 10/30/2005 2:49:07 AM PST by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, second place sucks.)
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To: Tom87

Ted Stevens' childish tantrum on the Senate floor was an embarrassment to Republicans. The whole lot of these spendthrifts--regardless of what letter they have after their name--need to be sent packing.


31 posted on 10/30/2005 2:52:57 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Tom87

Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) gave one of the most galling performances of arrogance in that debate over his beloved pork that the Senate has ever seen. When he threatened to pick up his marbles and go home, the rest of the Senate caved like the wimps they are. Alaskans ought to be ashamed that this parasite represents their state.


32 posted on 10/30/2005 2:57:10 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Ruth C

Agreed, but you can't fight city hall (tho many have tried in Dallas:) and you definitely cant fight Congress and Senate.
WAIT what am I thinking yes we can next year 2006 ::wink::


33 posted on 10/30/2005 3:38:39 AM PST by stopem
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To: The Red Zone
The bridge in Alaska will enable development. Some think that's a dirty word, I don't happen to agree.

Without infrastructure we'd be in a sorry place.

34 posted on 10/30/2005 3:43:52 AM PST by OldFriend (Fitzgerald is a Lawrence Walsh wannabe)
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To: Ruth C

hmmmm...term limits ay?! Tried that in 1994. Got Newt Gingrich thrown to the wolves, got Bob Dole the presidential nod......


35 posted on 10/30/2005 3:56:26 AM PST by mo
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To: Tom87
... But we still have communities that are not tied in to sewer and water.

Creeping socialism. Creaping envirowackoism. It costs a few thou to build a septic field. It costs a few thou to drill a well. It cost a few pennies of juice, a day, to operate the pumps, and you don't have to pay a bill to the town...

I don't know of any towns in AK that don't have enough space...


36 posted on 10/30/2005 3:58:59 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: OldFriend
The bridge in Alaska will enable development.

I wonder how many years you could operate a couple of these, for just ONE Billion TAX dollars?

North Carolina has a fleet of them... the USERS pay to ride them!


37 posted on 10/30/2005 4:04:10 AM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: mc6809e
The problem is that we have too much democracy. People are voting themselves money. It's as simple as that.

WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL

A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.

REPUBLIC VS. DEMOCRACY, U.S.ARMY ANALYSIS <- Good read!


38 posted on 10/30/2005 4:05:00 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: pageonetoo
LOL....we are talking ALASKA here.

Even riding the ferry across the Hudson from NJ to NY is quite an experience in winter.

39 posted on 10/30/2005 4:08:44 AM PST by OldFriend (Fitzgerald is a Lawrence Walsh wannabe)
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To: mc6809e

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapse over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the worlds greatest civilization has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence:

*From bondage to spiritual faith

*from spiritual faith to great courage

*from courage to liberty

*from liberty to abundance

*from abundance to selfishness

*from selfishness to complacency

*from complacency to apathy

*from apathy to dependency

*from dependency back again to bondage."

-Alexander Fraser Tyler


40 posted on 10/30/2005 4:10:32 AM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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